MattM

Bs spot

My wife made plans for us to go to the neighbors for what she thought was an early evening holiday party. I told her I’ll be there as soon as the game is over—a bit embarrassing is that my neighbors will be able to see me in my sun room TV room during the party. Thank goodness that it turns out the part starts at 8 rather than the original 6 (and that my neighbor buddy is a big FSU fan, so he knows the drill when it comes to fandom).....

I signed in just to make the exact same point. Did some of these folks just not even watch the game?

Let’s wait and see, shall we? Time may very well tell. Some of us just know what our eyes see, as noted above, and wonder why it never, ever seems to even out. Does that definitively mean that they’re cheating (yet again)? No, of course not. But to me at least, it plus all else we know about this team and its dirtbag owner means that the possibility of something untoward going on should not be shoved aside so easily. And BTW, it has happened already in other Leagues (NBA and Italy’s Serie A soccer league).

Please simply list examples of games they lost on League-wide controversial bad calls—it’s a very simple question. Off the top of my head I listed a whole bunch they won that way. If there was anything close to randomness involved here, it would even out, yet it doesn’t seem to when it comes to them. Remember, too, that we’re dealing with a team that has been caught cheating and pushing the envelope of acceptable behavior many, many times. If it’s simply “the Jordan effect”, please explain (a) why Peyton Manning didn’t seem to get a similar benefit of the doubt during his HOF career (in fact, one of the most egregious examples of multiple bad calls at the end of a game going New England’s way (the aforementioned 2004 AFCCG) came against Manning), and (b) why no other teams are known to get the benefit of calls anywhere near the level of New England (look no further than the cottage industry of “New England owns the refs“ memes that have cropped up over the last few years). Please be specific.

LMAO—you pontificate one this issue as if you’re a pro, but yet can’t answer a simple question to name a single game they’ve lost on a bad call. I can name probable a dozen they’ve won that way—let’s see, we’ve got “just give it to them”, the Ravens Monday nighter in 2007 (in which there were multiple pro-Pats bad calls in the 4th quarter to allow a game- winning drive, so bad that several Ravens got fined for making comments about the refs, to the game one week later that year against the Giants for game 16 (30 yard penalty swing late when a Pat hit a Giants return man late and out of bounds, but the G-Men get the penalty, to the AFCCG vs the Colts where on successive plays in front of a ref Marcus Pollard was obviously held (the League changed a related rule the next year), to a personal favorite vs the Texans where late in the game Brady throws a late apparently game-sealing pick, but wait, wait, wait for it, there’s an incredibly late flag totally away from the play that the announcers couldn’t even understand, to this gem from a few years back vs the Saints— here’s a shot from the last play of the game where a Saint defender was clearly held as Brady threw the game-winning TD. All off the top of my head. Please provide a similar list of games they got jobbed on and which was controversial across the League, like all of those above were.

Very simple question—name us some games New England has lost on blatantly bad calls over the years. We can all literally name about a dozen or more they’ve won that way. I follow this all fairly closely and can name 1 they lost on an arguably bad call (a Monday or Sunday nighter vs Carolina about 6-7 years ago). Shouldn’t it even out at some point if it were truly random or even semi-random? And it doesn’t have to be the League itself fixing games—any billionaire certainly has the resources to explore doing it. And remember, we had an owner who didn’t even swear. Bob Kraft, meanwhile, started dating a woman his granddaughter’s age several months after his wife died. Not to mention assorted other moral issues he’s had....,

I think it was Johnson

Hope Cooper is ok—want to sign him this offseason!

Me, too.

Is Seattle going to tag him?

I agree. I see them going hard at Clowney, letting Trent and Shaq walk, drafting a WR in 1st and. DE in 2d to replace Hughes a year out.

And expect lots and lots of hankies to start flying (in one direction).....

Anyone else remember McKelvin vs the Cheats?

No problem with the help of the refs

Are you ***** kidding me? Multiple awful calls. WWE. Of course they want the most popular team in the League in the playoffs....

As it should be, those cheating #######s....

And the refs are absolutely in the tank for the Cheats here.

And the refs. The refs are totally trying to screw the Skins in this game. Unreal.

I don’t recall them even showing the replay of the hold—did they?

How was that flagged picked up? WTF

Just heard on Sirius NFL radio that the League had a call with all officials last night regarding the proliferation of holding calls. How WWE is that? Just when the Pats* are down two tackles and Brady’s complaining on Twitter about penalties. You can’t make this stuff up.....

Brady and Belicheat?

Would have been nice, but I’ll take the W

I noticed that, too, last night when I went to set my DVR. I suspect it has to do with the Giants being an NFC team (and normally on Fox), so the guide folks assumed the CBS game would be the Pats* game. Like you, I’m hoping they’re wrong.....