Andy1

Aristocrat - Sea level photos prove nothing. There is something called tides that can dramatically change the level of the ocean. You would have to know the pictures were taken at the same time in the tide cycle for comparison between years. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/23/fact-check-water-level-photos-dont-disprove-climate-change/7333921002/

Meanwhile the forecast for tomorrow in England and Paris is 105 degrees. Temps never before recorded at those locations.

Prove it with science based references.

The lack of water in the southwest will be a major issue soon. https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/2022-06-14/big-water-cutbacks-ordered-amid-colorado-river-shortage “We are 150 feet from 25 million Americans losing access to the Colorado River, and the rate of decline is accelerating,” Entsminger told the senators. Avoiding “potentially catastrophic conditions,” Entsminger said, will require reductions that many water managers previously considered unattainable.” The Colorado River is running out of water and 40 million people depend upon it. Water usage reductions in the range of the allotment for the State of Arizona will be required, split among states of CO, NM, NV, AZ and CA.

Good point. There are zealots on both sides. The anti abortion variety though won’t stop suing and legislating until there is a full national ban.

You all can deny facts for the rest of your lives but when the history books will be written about J6, they will be base upon the results uncovered by this committee. Your grandchildren will be reading about that day from the evidence and testimony submitted by the committee. If you don’t like it, maybe Trump will write another book he can sell to the believers of alternate history.

Out of state travel for abortion or national ban is what the religious zealots are going for next. We are headed for state vs state legal battles as conservative states try to prevent their citizens from traveling to democrat states for abortions and try to prevent shipping of medications for at home abortions. Abortion medication will become part of the illegal drug trafficking in those states. Dem states won’t share information with anti abortion states. No one has any idea how this will turn out. More cases like headed to Supreme Court. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the right to travel. Anti abortion states will try to sue doctors and others doing legal abortions on out of state patients in Dem states. The last time there were state vs state legal battles about the movement of people was during the slavery era when southern states wanted their run away slaves back. Maybe we are headed towards an Underground Railroad to help women move north for abortions. This is far from a settled issue.

The headline for the data from the same survey could read “Strong Majority of Americans Think Abortion Should be Legal”. Clearly, most people are somewhere in the middle on this issue. Meanwhile, many republican states are going to full bans, (except for health/ save life of mother) some with no exceptions for rape.

This whole public harassment thing bothers me. I dont think it’s an effective means of political protest. These people protesting the court would be better off spending their time working to towards political change at the state level. Screaming at a justice might make them feel better but that’s about it. I don’t recall these types of harassment a decade or two ago. People on the right are just fine with anti abortionists forming mobs and screaming at girls and women visiting abortion clinics. Mobs carrying assault weapons and guns into state capitols. Death threats to politicians and public officials seem common now. On the left, they like to scream at people at restaurants and protest in front of justices homes. Just because you can do something or it’s legal doesn’t make it right. I think it’s all wrong and leading to a decline in our society. I think part of it is the “look at me” factor on social media. if you want to protest, stand on the side of the street and hold a sign. Peacefully march and hold rallies in public space. Persuade others to support your position. Write letters to politicians and business owners to form alliances to change laws. It’s all more effective than harassment.

AOC doesn’t represent the Democratic party any more than MTG does for the republicans. They are both extremist idiots.

I’m proud to say I was on the Allen train since the beginning. Outside of my family, watching Josh play gives me the most joy. I’m just glad I’m able to watch, and someday, when I’m old remember his performances on the field. What a joy.

Dude, go walk onto any military base and shout that BS. I think you would get an education. Democrats have died for this nation just like republicans.

Reports from operators of abortion clinics indicate that women from all racial-political-socio-economic strata use their services. As you say, “people are people” and surprise pregnancies happen. When women feel they need an abortion for whatever reason, they will do what is necessary or go to where it is provided. Bans on the procedure especially target the young and poor who are less able to travel to a provider state. Not sure what you mean here. Personally, I’m not for unrestricted access to abortion. I’m just assuming that republican politicians do not want to harm women with pregnancy complications. Thus, they should allow medical doctors to decide if such procedure is needed to protect the health of the girl/woman. No woman wants to be denied necessary medical care due to the wording in a law written by stupid politicians. She shouldn’t have to be near death to get treatment,

The report ChiGoose quotes is exactly what I predicted last week. This will become a real shock to republican anti abortion women who have pregnancy complications. The political support for strict anti abortion laws is at its peak now and will only decline in the future as women and their partners, friends and parents from all walks of life, realize it affects their health care. If republicans were smart, they would craft laws that give wide leeway to doctors to determine the medical need for abortion procedures to protect the health of women. They will need to push back on the religious right a bit to do this. Otherwise, this issue is going to backfire on them. I have no faith that they will do this.

I agree completely that popularity is not the rationale for their decisions. This court is forcing the legislative branch to legislate. It’s. Going to be interesting because for about as long as I can remember Congress tried to avoid making decisions. They were happy to designate some day as National Dairy Day but would avoid taking a vote on anything meaningful. Their sole purpose as elected officials had been to collect cash to get re-elected. This court is definitely changing that. When the SC sends decisions back to the states though, we may end up with widely varying laws between states. Deciding where to move to won’t just be what state has the best weather. People and corporations will need to consider many other factors that affect their quality of life.

The SC interprets the Constitution based upon the justices political philosophy. This is why there is an epic political battle for who gets on the court. It is also why rulings are overturned. The founding fathers had could not foresee many of the issues the court must decide today.

One thing I’m sure of is there are alot of upstanding religious, conservative southern women who have saved their marriage or reputation by having an abortion they didn’t tell anyone about. It’s their personal little secret. They never thought the law would change. Now they are all going to have to take longer “vacations” in the future. Hypocrisy is everywhere on this issue. It’s easy to be anti abortion when it’s the poor teenage girl from a broken family in the trailer park. When it affects the healthcare of middle class women, minds will change. Lawyers rule the world. If there is any uncertain medical issue, they will be advising hospitals to restrict care to protect the hospital from legal liability.

The media likes to push the division between the left and right in America. Emphasizing the division helps sell and keeps people glued to the tube. At this time, the Supreme Court is dominated by conservative justices whose views are not supported by a majority of Americans. It appears that they are on the path of overturning laws that were previously considered settled law. Gay marriage rights may be next to fall. They seem to be sending the issues back to the states or congress for resolution through legislation. What we may end up with is a bunch of issues that are patchwork of laws, differing widely by state. Where you live may have a great impact on what rights you enjoy. On the personal level, lots of Americans need to go back to school and take civics classes to learn how to disagree without insulting each other. People need to talk with those who are different from them. When you are laying in a hospital bed, you don’t care if your doc or nurse is liberal or conservative, or white, black, Hispanic or Asian. When you get to know other people, we all have a lot in common. Talk is cheap. Anyone talking of civil war has no idea what war is about. What the hell would we be fighting about anyway? Gay marriage? Abortion? Tax policy? Signs on bathrooms?

Happy 4th to everyone on this board! While at times we may debate on issues or politics, today we remember that we are all Americans and grateful to be citizens of this nation. America has its challenges but there is no place else I would rather live.

Yes, and our nation has a long history of, at times, passing laws that are unjust. This is one of those times.

This is an interesting read. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/abortion-roe-prolife-movement-prohibition/661402/ The writer compares the win for the anti abortion movement to the victory for prohibition supporters. Eventually he suggests that a truce may develop between the pro-life vs pro-choice movements as has already happened in many other countries.

I think the viability of the fetus must be considered. I’m pretty much in agreement with the suggestion by ChiGoose above. Generally allowing it up to fetal viability is also the position of most states in the nation. Only AK, CO, NM, OR, VT, and NJ allow abortions through the full 9 month term. At the other end of the spectrum, SD, OK, AR, MO and AL don’t allow any abortion after conception. More states may be moving in that direction though. In TX, TN, OH and SC it is allowed up to 6 weeks. The vast majority of states (including traditionally liberal states like CA, NY, MA and CT) have permitted it without restrictions up to fetal viability which is defined as in the 24-26 week range. I would suggest that state definitions for age of consent be used. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States This is just a very complex issue affecting womens health that goes way beyond saving babies is the right thing so let’s ban it. I have no faith that male dominated legislatures in republican states understand the complexities of this issue. They have been catering to the religious right for years and have no courage to make laws that would disappoint them and allow exceptions in their bans. The next thing I expect to see is politicians offering their “thoughts and prayers” to girls like this.

For years republicans have said that you can’t trust the government because they are incompetent. Now all of a sudden, they want you to trust them with the health decisions for your wives, girlfriends and daughters. When they are forcing kids to have kids, something is seriously f’d up.

And so the suffering of women and girls begins…. I saw another report of doctors not filling prescriptions for methotrexate which is used to treat many autoimmune diseases. They won’t prescribe it because it is considered an abortifacient. This is just the beginning.

Ok, to be crystal clear, here is what he said to Jonathan Karl of ABC News. “Well, the people were very angry,” Trump said. “They said, ‘hang Mike Pence,’” Karl told Trump. “It’s common sense, Jon. It’s common sense that you’re supposed to protect,” Trump said. “How can you, if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?” Now if a crowd was chanting to hang someone you cared about, say your brother, would your first thought be to defend the mob saying it’s common sense? If you cared - hell no! No normal human has that response. You also would not assume he was protected, you would take affirmative action of some kind to try to protect him. Trump didn’t care. At least that’s my view. Others may say or do differently for their brother.