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I respect Burrow as a QB, and his final season at LSU was the greatest I've ever seen, but I have never really liked the guy. He just comes off as an arrogant turd. Everyone knew who Mike Brown was, and they even talked about it when the team was set to draft Burrow. Burrow signed his contract. He didn't have to. Now he has to deal with the person we all knew Mike Brown was from the start.

I actually don't have a problem with either of them winning it. If you go further back in this thread, you will see where I said Lamar's 39/4 is pretty amazing. I'm not going into a whine fest, my guy, I'm summarizing what the RC was saying. Talking about how if Josh wins, it's like Charles Barkley's MVP. Saying everyone knew Jordan was the best player, but Barkley's MVP was basically 2nd rate. Like Lamar should have gotten the award, but people won't vote for him just for the fact they don't want to pick the same guy all the time. Then bringing the whole race aspect into it. These same clowns also keep changing their criteria year in and year out to justify "their guy" every time. My problem, and what I called out, was the racial bias of a bunch of the hacks at ESPN. Clark, Cam, Canty, Foxworth, and others. It's also bred out of envy in some instances, especially with Cam because Josh is breaking all of his records. Both are deserving of the award, no matter who wins. Two of the top teams and both have excellent numbers. But Josh is forever carrying this team and has clearly done more this year, with less than others have at their disposal and in spite of a defense that has failed this year for the most part.

Ty Johnson gets 2 TD's in a Bills win

JA17 had 44 total TD's to Lamar's 29. INT'S or no INT'S, Josh was clearly better. He also closed out winning 6 of 7 games, leading the Bills to their 4th straight AFCE title and the #2 seed. The same idiots last year who were claiming "it's not all about the stats" are the idiots this year saying "this award should be based on the stats, and Lamar's are better Josh Allen's." Let's all shed a tear and light a candle for the injustice of it all if Lamar doesn't win. Josh will only get it because people don't want to vote for the same guy all the time, not because he's deserving. It's ridiculous.

On top of everything being stated here about Lamar and Josh, let's look at the defense behind both. Ravens - #14 overall total defense, #29 pass defense, #1 rush defense, #11 scoring defense, #13 Red Zone defense, #20 3rd Down defense Bills - #23 overall total defense, #25 pass defense, #14 rush defense, #13 scoring defense, #18 Red Zone defense, #28 3rd Down defense (tied with 3 others so it's objectively between #28-#31, the only team worse is the Panthers) The Ravens also lead the league in sacks with 52 where we are 21st with 34. That is likely to change a bit this weekend because the Ravens have already played their 16th game, but we're still 18 behind them as a team. I mention all of this to show that Josh has to do more for his team to win than Lamar does, and the Bills have the better record with wins against the two best teams in the NFL on his resume.

He's only 45 yards away. Barring injury, he will eclipse that with no problem this year. I, too, have been skeptical of Lamar as a passer, but he does look better this year throwing from the pocket. He also has 39 TD's to just 4 INT's. That's pretty amazing. In all of this talk about who should be the MVP, I still think it's Allen. Will he get it? I don't think so, just because I don't trust those holding the ballots. Allen is putting up numbers on par with what he has done the last 4 seasons, but with what is widely viewed as lesser talent on this roster. He will eclipse 40 total TD's for the 5th straight season. He still has a shot at 4,000 yds passing for the 5th straight season. You can't really ask him to do much more to carry this team, because that's absolutely what he's done for the last 5 years now.

Can we? Sure, if the defense holds up their end of the bargain. I worry about this defense against the Ravens more so than anyone. That Zone Read with Lamar and Henry is tough for any team, more or less one that has had trouble stopping the run for as long as I can remember. The Rams and Lions games, where we let Stafford and Goff completely shredded us in the passing game, makes me nervous as well. Heck, we just let Drake Maye throw for 261 yds against us and he has a bunch of bums around him. I'm not worried about the offense that much. But Baltimore's defense is better than the Rams and Lions. I don't see Josh being able to have a shootout type of game against the Lamar if our defense is just letting the Ravens march up and down the field.

Merry Christmas to all of my TBD family. May your day be full of the moments that make the holiday season so special. 🎄🎅☃️🎁

Von is not the player he once was. Neither are most players at 35. Hopefully, he can get a key pressure or get to the QB at the most necessary of moments in the Playoffs. That's what we brought him here for in the first place.

Cam is p*ssed because Josh is breaking all the records he once held. He's also just out here 🤡'ing for clicks and views since his football career is over. And his "fashion sense" may be the clearest evidence of CTE to date.

He's a Cam Newton-sized John Elway.

Against this Pittsburgh team? Yeah, I don't see it.

Once the Chiefs win on Wednesday, that won't be an issue. They will sit the last game of the year.

There's Ole DangeRuss

Flag - personal foul - tackling a Chiefs ball carrier

You can't beat the Chiefs AND the refs.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours my friend. Also everyone else as well. Go Bills!

I say no. He's apparently not a team type of guy, and our locker room is special right now. We don't need anyone coming in who could mess that up. He's also basically another MVS. We see how that worked out here. I never thought I'd say this back in August, bur we're good.

Chiefs fans, Bengals fans, Jets fans, Packers fans, maybe some other teams I have missed. There have been a few guys over the years, but most of them didn't stay long. I've always thought Spags is someone from this board pretending to be a Jets fan. It's still been pretty funny over the years. I think Zerovoltz has made it the longest as someone posting on our board as another team's fan. I never understood it, joining another team's forum. I will go read them after a Bills win at times. But I don't interact with them, nor do I feel the need to do so. Some of your own favorite team's fans are insufferable enough. I can't imagine being as petty as to troll them in that manner.

KC and Cincy are neck and neck for me. I hate the Chiefs, but I hate the Bengals too. They have one run to the SB and the pundits were slobbing them every chance they got. They have a bunch of dirty players. Can't stand Burrow or Hendrickson. Their coach is an arrogant pr*ck.

To me, it's the back across his body, while rolling to his left, dime to Cook in perfect stride. The throw to Coleman on a rope 60 yds down the field is a close 2nd.

A lot of these owners are just ridiculous. Woody Johnson, Jerry Jones, Dave Tepper, Mike Brown, Jim Irsay, from the way they carry themselves, to the things that come out of their mouths, to the way they can't even get out of their own way. It's crazy. But such is the lives of some rich people who get caught up in that pride.

Should be 3 weeks in a row now.

Somewhere, Christian Wilkins is getting "excited" reading this story.