colin

because we have this heavy jumbo squad of wooden players in there, which makes sense if you are running, but dabol is so clever that he passes out of it! except dabol is also so predictable that the D plays pass the whole way dropping 9 (who drops 9?!?) and they keep a spy (or two) so allen can't run and then allen throws the ball and we all hold our breath and strangely it was right where the FB needed it (and he was blanketed at the time because he is so slow) and then he just looks like a goof and mistimes his jump and misses what would have been a big gain. improbable, scary cuz so much coulda gone wrong w the stakes so high, ball looks like it was held too long and it also looks like allen missed the RB open in the flat, and then it almost worked. to me that's insane and basically what the bills O was all season.

i think you are completely missing the point here. im not even saying good or bad, i'm saying insane. maybe you'd be more comfortable with crazy or wacky?

i think he panicked because he held the ball to long and didn't look motor's way. it's insane because it is insane, dimarco running deep w two defenders around him where the D dropped 9 and the ball was there for him to catch, doesn't that seem insane to you?

honestly, while what you say is insane it is totally true. the fact that we have this blocking/run heavy formation in, but pass out of it, and fool NO ONE, as the texans dropped nine, that allen panics and throws up a ball that i was saying oh no oh no when he threw it, and that the ball was actually a good one and in the perfect spot for dimarco to catch it and no one else and then dimarco just looks like a guy who's never ever caught a pass is the perfect summary of the bills entire season on O.

so allen obviously has flaws he has partially overcome or has to work to overcome. his deep ball was a mess this year, some of that is scheme/protection, some of it is our WRs, but a large chunk is simply on him. he throws ropes rather than rainbows most of the time and sometimes the balls needs more touch. his fumbling is simply a problem and one he obviously has to overcome. he might not ever be a drew brees nearly zero turnover guy, but he can cut them in half at least. he was super erratic and was a turnover machine until week 4, his worst game by far vs NE, and then as alpha pointed out, he was basically our entire O the rest of the season and had 4 turn overs in like 12 games, which is really good. he really was second to only Ljax in total TDs over that span? that's kinda insane. groups like PFF and stat queens will always rate a phil rivers or matt ryan miles ahead of a guy like allen (and it seems joe flacco and duck hodges too, which shows you what a joke this stuff can be) but he produced like 85+% of our TDs and more than any other player after week four kinda shows he's not the problem w the team and is doing pretty good over all. our team obviously has holes, but QB really isn't the big one by far. the fact that singletary, a rook rb who doesn't have top end speed, and allen are our only real play makers is a huge problem. we just don't have a good O and the lack of playmakers is the biggest issue.

i know someone tried to talk me down, but i think shennault is the next TO.

thanks for the summary. one thing i learn every time i find about about people who started out on the right track and just had more or less constant success (particularly nfl players, who are also not paid for their smarts) is how sort of simple and linear their reasoning tends to be. they just like did what they were told or thought they should do, and everything has kinda gone according to plan ever since. because of this, i'm not surprised a cynic like this dude could see himself as so much smarter than everyone else. he's prolly smarter than most of them, but doesn't notice the others who are smarter because he's kinda a grown up disaffected teen.

you' re prolly right, but i just remember TO being unique in that he ran all routes full speed, and this dude kinda looks that way to me.

anyone else think shenault can grow into being a terrell owens type, or am i just easily impressed?

is it so hard to understand that sammy leaving the bills made him ultimately a better team player than he was here, he even admits as much? sometimes a change is needed and is good for both parties. i wish we still had him since we just have such a lack of skill talent, but it just wasn't in the cards.

mcd knows the value of a great edge player and natural pass rusher, he had kraken in carolina and that guy super charged their D. they really fell off without him. bean going after OBJ and AB shows hes will to throw down some chips for a big time player, and i think clowney fits that bill (if not him, than one of the other ones out there too, i'm not married to any of them). i know lots of people are thinking since we seemed to get some utility out of signing more value guys last year that we should do that this year. the problem with that is we only have so many roster spots, and we are lacking in talent and are long cap space, the solution is to pour a little more into some high impact guys. yes we will over pay like we did for morse and star, but so what? it's not like we win games with having extra cap room. Maj bobby had some sick threads on positions, based on what he's written i'd like to cut kroft and smith, sign hooper, let shak walk and sign clowney, and get either cooper or aj green (or whoever) as a splash WR all in FA. if we front load the contracts to soak up lots of our excess cap space (and possibly do the same w white) then we will have room to make roster moves and re up dawkins, allen, millano, edumds, etc. we will add like 5 to 7 guys every draft as well, so we'll have all the bodies and jags we want, but we have to go out and pay some talent.

im a big roman fan, but with the titans game we saw more of the limits of his system than necessarily of the QB (there is that too though). the reason why a pro set standard O and a balanced 4-3 is the standard NFL scheme is because it is less interdependent on everything else compared to these more "gimmick" systems. i do think with a more well rounded QB/roster (maybe LJax grows his skill set into his 3rd year like we hope allen does) roman has it in him to create more advantages for his O. also, the rock paper scissors nature of the NFL just never ends. titans run a 1960s O and even sick modern Ds aren't able to defend against it. while i wish we beat Hou and KC and had a home AFC chip game, i'd be worried sick about us stopping that running attack.

i'd laugh so hard if a conviction vacates some bonus he's due in his contract when the browns cut him.

he sucks. he is physically weak. not built for the nfl. his attitude was something i figured could be forgiven if he could ball, but now that he can't it doesn't exactly help things.

going top to bottom on skill talent, Motor would be a sick back up to lynch, knox would get some burn but obv not start, brown would get a good number of snaps and if they could figure out what to do w him bease would get in as the 4th or 5th wr. even tho we made sick strides from last season, it is kinda shocking how much of a skill position deficit we run.

that's quite the comparison. difference on the pitch: russ will extended plays leading to long arcing bombs to a bevy of wideouts (wasn't harvin on their team that year or the next?). Seattle also had a kinda monster O line and a better run game, much better skill talent. allen seems to either hit surgical mid range ropes, or bides time to find them, and struggles with the deeper stuff (some of that is WR talent, but some of that is a result of his shortcomings). pretty similar production tho. also, russ will was 25 and had time a pretty solid big10 program ahead of that. good example!

i voted both because the poll wasn't done with radio buttons and im sorry but im basically a monster and an agent of chaos.

assuming we could have built our exact team otherwise the same way, but kept gilmore and watkins (two top ten draft picks recently!!) we'd have smoked houston and i think woulda beat KC. i think we are really close TBH. cooper and a passrusher would put us over the top. i can't wait for free agency, the draft, and then opening day. hate this part of the year.

over all we are in solid shape, but what we are missing is GLARING. we just have no weapons on O. We could use an OT upgrade, we need an RB2 but there are plenty of those, and dropping a wad of cash on a pass rusher would really help the team, but we ABSOLUTELY need weapons. bean was looking at AB, OBJ, so im pretty certain he will be riding hard to drop like 20 a year on a star WR. that single addition alone would have had us facing KC after spanking the texans, and maybe we even win there.

throwing the candy and saying eat a bag of richards was honestly hilarious and a move i think others will use to fun gag joke effect. so -- does AB have a drug problem anyone knows about? richie has/had mental issues and drug problems, if AB doesn't do drugs it's honestly impressive that he can be that crazy and have been that successful. if he doesn't blow through all his money he will be bucking the odds in shocking fashion.

i think the point is they only put in a minimum standard for athletes in 2011 (a shockingly low standard at that).

he gets pushed around bad, and basically freelances to get up the field. this got him a bunch of tfl and sacks, but cost as well.

sick work MAJB! given that bean was involved in AB and OBJ trade talks, i think it's clear he knows he needs a monster WR, and is willing to pay. if green or cooper are available to us, i think he's 100% in the running. i also think we can two or three of top flight WR sick TE (hoops) top flight DE solid/sick RT in free agency, or get a top one of one of them, and decent upgrade in the other three. we could do this by front loading contracts by having first year salary guaranteed so it hits now while we have lots of cap room, clearing up room later for us to sign Tre, milano, dawkins, and then later on Edmunds and allen. i could see bean trading up to get the WR he really wants (or perhaps DE, but i don't think there are any who would be available) in the draft, but im always concerned about a WR coming in and making an impact as a rookie, and that's the single position which would change our team the most. RB and CB tend to be good out the box.

im torn because he was productive and keeping our guys makes the team better, but big dollars on a guy who is just not good vs the run ain't it. i kinda think the nfl is less obsessed with the super duper DT like they were 10 or so years ago. Suh, marcel, guys like that had teams drooling and guys who were not even as good as them were taken with top 10 or 20 picks regularly, but lately it seems like there is less emphasis on paying a big chubby dude on D top dollars because there is the question of how long that pace can be kept up. darnold, cox, those guys are the exception, but they are every down monsters who have never shown any true weakness in their game.

he may be a jerk, and he is injury prone, but his (admittedly dumb sounding statements) came at a heated moment after a loss and just shows where his head is at. he wants to win. one thing about him, yes his lack of huge sacks is a concern, is that of all the top flight guys (i figure there are 4 of them, maybe five hitting FA this season if they don't get tagged) he most fits into and most shows being happy with being 1/11. he's gonna want around 20MM per year of course, but he seems pretty happy to do the dirty work, take on lead blockers, drop, keep a controlled edge, as well as chase the qb and stick with it. his speed and slightly below jumbo size doesn't seem to hit him in the run game. he also plays hard and dirty and injured, which is exactly what we need. i'm still not saying he's our best guy, or even who they want or would be willing to sign with us, but McBean have shown they want size speed aggressive athletes in the front 7, look at who they had in carolina and how they are building up buffalo. give me hooper, cooper, clowney, get another WR in the draft (maybe even trade up) and either sign or draft an RT to compete and draft an RB2 and SAM and all the things that let us down vs houston are gone. no more 3rd and long converts, no more qb's running past the edge, and we have talent on the outside on O to actually match up and we don't go turtle when our RB1 is on the pine. ya, that's a disgusting front 4 and while i think it would lead to more sacks what it would really do is lead to more turnovers