BadLandsMeanie

Yes he hired her. Then sometime after that they began a romance. Obviously it was on the up and up and a genuine thing. But it was indeed an employee employer romance.

That, was a 4 Star brilliant post. It didn't cross my mind at all. Well done Sir!

What about a running buffalo of some sort?

I think Rosen's hot tub picture with a girl in there was his way of saying "Ha! I am the starting Quarterback of the glamorous, high profile, "Hollywood" UCLA Bruins, relaxing in my hot tub with a pretty girl, and you are not." What irritated me about that photo is that he is the starting Quarterback of the glamorous, high profile, "Hollywood" UCLA Bruins, relaxing in his hot tub with a pretty girl, and I am not. I think the difference between me, and pretty much everyone else, is that I think it was also pretty dang funny. To me it was just guy humor that has I guess become old school and people don't get it any more. And I think of people in the press like Jerry Sullivan who would just seethe over something like that and I think there are plenty of guys like him. What I am leading up to here is that i think people are not taking into account how much flak Rosen took and took in whisper campaigns and every single sportswriter repeating how he is this bad guy and how disliked he is. And pretty much ignored the provable, verifiable statements of those who gave their names and who said he was a good guy. How would you be after six months of that? And then, in my opinion, Rosen thinks they got him. He said he figured he should go in the top 3 and that is pretty reasonable based on how he played and what risks he has versus the others. So he may figure the whisper campaign actually got him and actually dropped him down and after 6 months of it, he was mad. I don't think it is fair, or even reasonable, to look a guy in that circumstance of the moment and then say , "Oh see how he is?"

"While scores on the Wonderlic were more strongly associated with crystallized than fluid reasoning abilities, the Wonderlic test scores did not clearly show convergent and divergent validity evidence across these two broad domains of cognitive ability." Not showing validity means it did not measure what it is said to measure. You only showed the part saying what it did not measure, the worst. So it wasn't as invalid measuring crystalized intelligence (meaning more or less what we already know) as fluid reasoning skills, (meaning more or less learning on the run)

Bravo!! Well said!

Just about every other draft pick they interviewed said something about making teams know they shouldn't have passed them up. But see, you single him out because you have been told to. The media focused on it, so you focused on it. But watching with my own eyes, and thinking, I could see that many many of the players said that same thing. And again, thinking back, I can remember that being said in past drafts too. It is almost a customary thing to say. Tom Brady has made a career of it. I read that story but I didn't think of that. You are right. It doesn't make sense does it?

This is my point : Your position is unsupportable. But I don't need to make this into a crusade. I can't reshape your character and you don't want me to. Believe your rumors and take shots and offer opinions critical of someone you do not know and have never even met. I just wanted to chime in that that is what you all are doing. Not just you guys in the thread here, but everybody like you in the football world and in the media. Repeating rumors that were repeated to you and that will be repeated by others who don't much care to be cautious, or know facts, or even be reasoned with, when saying mean things about another person. I can let it go like I say I just wanted to point it out and I think I have.

"From nearly everyone that has been around him" As if YOU have any idea at all. Am I right? You just read the rumors. Don't you? You have no idea, at all, what you are talking about. Isn't that right? I can tell you who agrees with me about you people and your rumors. Marv Levy, that's who.

Maybe you will agree when I guess that "know it all" describes at least 1 in 10 young men his age. And maybe 1 in 5 first round picks? Many of them admit that later on. They they wish they hadn't been so arrogant when they were rookies. So granted, it is not the best mind set. But I am asking, what is so different about Rosen that he alone gets such a huge backlash against him? I hope that Allen turns out great. But if it turns out that I have to keep watching losing football because our coaches didn't want to work with an annoying kid, I won't buy that. I think that is a character flaw in our coaches. But setting that aside, doesn't it seem at all weird to you that teams and scouts and whoever else, just are all over Rosen, every day, month after month, for being a know it all?? Doesn't that seem unusual to you?

So beating on women isn't being a jerk? Remember, these NFL teams had to be forced, forced by public outcry, to do something about that. To even think about it. There are many, many other examples of both players and coaches being jerks. Heck we had a coach, a middle aged coach, hit some teenagers for stealing a chair. I could go on and on. And so could just about every football fan who reads the sports news go on and on. And that is only the stuff that becomes public. Oh don't forget the idiot on the Bills who decided to drive his three wheeled motorcycle up to a cop while holding a handgun. Plaxico Burris shot himself in the leg with his own gun. Nuff said about Zay Jones. What sort of a jerk is Rosen, that is so very different and so scary to these NFL men? Was it the girl? The hot tub? The hat? And why is it never specific? You are never specific in this thread. No one I have read has ever been specific. Not one time. Your position is unsupportable.

Well this is a good thread for me. I'm starting to see that something isn't right here. There is something different. As has been mentioned it is outside the bounds of professional, or even adult, behavior, for Highsmith to have said what he did. And it is the same vague, no substance, non-specific whispery kind of gossipy stuff that implies that they secretly know more, but won't say. We have some poster or two in this thread with the same sort of thing. Never specific. Never a verifiable event. Always just the "If you knew what I know, you wouldn't like Rosen either". But we got guys like Jameis Winston who had way worse stuff alleged and also worse stuff that was proven, who went #1. So besides the stealing and alleged raping he was a heck of a guy in college I guess. I don't want to land on Baker especially but he was indeed drunk and did indeed run from and get arrested by the cops. Everbody loves him, and he goes #1 overall. Joe Mixon here actually broke some poor girl's face. He is very strong and women's facial bones are not as strong. He hurt her bad. This was hushed up until it leaked out much later. I guess besides things like this he is a joy to be around, right? Josh Rosen on the other hand is so bad that his presence is near intolerable. But unlike the others, and unlike nearly every other college and NFL star, who grow so used to having their misdeeds and behavior hushed up or ignored that some few even wind up thinking they can get away with murdering people. Josh Rosen is exposed as a trouble maker before, during, and now after the draft. And the evidence we get is this. He had a girl, in a hot tub. He had an F Trump hat on. He is inquisitive of his coaches and wants to understand the game. These are the specific charges against him. Everything else is whispers which I have to tell you, nearly always means lies. But even if they are not, what is so different about Josh Rosen that he catches all this heat and EVERYBODY else doesn't? Even when they hurt people. Why is that? What is going on here? It seems very, very odd to me.

You mean around 1:00 (One minute) Not at 11 minutes.

Well, your take is balanced and sensible in my opinion. But the post I was responding to was less so. It blamed this coaching staff for the drought, which is maybe the weakest possible criticism that could be made of them. And it said that the odds are that Josh Allen will be a failure, which can not be known in any reasonable way. Nobody knows about Allen's individual odds or those of any of these guys. So that post was based on a foundation that was not a good one. I agree with you that in some maybe strange way, some teams do tend to keep on being who they always have been, even with changes in leadership. I hope that isn't us!

Well here is an odd post. We have a new front office. And they ended the drought. So the new people who are not the same people,, who ended the drought instead of kept it going, can't be blamed for what the other people, who are not the same ones, did. Do you understand?

Its not about questioning decisions. It is about INSISTING you know more. Over and over. On and on. When that is just crazy talk. So if I am saying I know for sure the Bills made an error on the QB pick, but I did ONE BILLIONTH of the work they did, all I am really doing is being annoying.

This post has I don't know how many links in it. but not the ONE link it needs, which is to the article itself. Did you make it up? Did you alter the text? No way to know unless you show the source you copied it from.

I liked the Riley posts. It was tense time for me these last weeks and those posts were fun and lightened my mood.

No, they didn't. What the Bills just did was doing everything they could. It was VERY different. They traded away players. They traded away a first round pick last year. That is nothing like what the Bills have done in the past. This staff did what they had to. The Bills never drafted a QB in the top ten ever. Not one time. In their 58 Year History The Buffalo Bills Selected just 3 quarterbacks in the first round. So roughly every 20 Years. They picked Kelly at 14 and Losman at 22 and I forget where they got EJ. It should have been in the second round. So please don't tell me I have a "misconception" that the BIlls have ignored the QB position. I have NO misconceptions about that.

Well, I was thinking at the start that it was not a good choice of song because it is the Beatles and that is a big meaningful song for a lot of people. So risky. And he messing with my Beatles. But it was funny enough that I think its pretty good

Game of Throws A new and different chapter begins for 5 teams starting now! It should be fun! New rivalries began this weekend with the selection of 5, count them 5, Quarterbacks in round one of the 2018 draft. It would have started anyway but Josh Rosen's pledge to spend the next decade or making 9 teams know they made a mistake when they passed him by, lit a fire under it on day one. What we have now is 5 teams, 5 Gms, and 5 Qbs all pitted against each other for the next 10 years. This should be fun. And it is also good for us and for every one of those teams because all 5 of those guys will have as much fuel to do their best every single day of every single year. Who will be King of the Hill of the 2018 Five? If that alone isn't enough to motivate a young man nothing will. Wentz and Goff have only each other and it is a much lower profile draft class. This is different. This draft was the most hyped and craziest that anyone can remember. I am most looking forward to the reborn Jets vs Bills rivalry. The Jets jumped the Bills and got their pick ahead of us. Did Jets GM MacCagnan bamboozle Beane? Did Beane outsmart and out-cute himself by selecting Josh Allen the most controversial ratings wise QB in the Top 5? People either loved or hated Allen. And when their time comes Allen and Darnold will face each other twice a year, every year of their careers. Fun stuff! Across the lake we have Baker. Will he be Bake the Mistake? Or Baker the Difference Maker? Is Dorsey the “less intelligent” old school GM he has been called? My opinion is he made the absolute correct choice, if it matters. Mayfield is the one QB who would cry tears of joy instead of despair going to Cleveland. If you want somebody to change things, to rally the troops, to come in and begin the winning, Baker Mayfield is the guy for that job. I would give up the 2 inches of height for that. (Plus his eyes are set a bit higher in his head) Rosen in Arosenzona is the most advanced QB of his class in terms of technique and passing ability. But he has had the concussions, and he has issues. He seems an angry young man. He spent the last 6 months being called a hot tub having, spoiled, opinionated rich kid who will be a quitter. And told all the extra work you did, that the others didn't, to learn and polish and hone your technique means, you are already at your ceiling and that's bad. (Instead of , you worked harder). And also by the way, everybody hates you, even your friends. I'm not sure why he seemed so grumpy at the draft. But any way you slice it he will be a factor and he has a legit shot to work out to be King. Last we have Lamar Jackson. Picked last in the first by Ozzie Newsome in his last draft as Ravens GM. Will Jackson be a mistaken gamble by a GM with his eyes on retirement? Or the crowning touch on a Hall of Fame Career for Ozzie Newsome? Is Lamar the next generation of Quarterback? Or another failed experiment? Shall the last be first? Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, and Lamar Jackson the Class of 2019 will battle it out for the next 10 or 15 years. This will be fun. And the Buffalo Bills and their fans will be front and center. And that last, and the fans part, is the difference this time around. We fans never had a voice before. There was no internet in 1983. We fans will be included in a new way in the cross city rivalry around these 5 teams. I am looking forward to this. It will be fun and we deserve it.

Viva Pancho

When you look at what potions they drafted in rounds 4-7, it certainly seems like they did exactly that. Exactly. They drafted at positions of need. Coincidence? They drafted offensive line, and wide receivers and a cornerback. Offensive line and wide receiver in particular were the two most glaring needs left after free agency and the draft. So what did not happen is they drafted the best running back still on the board. Or linebacker. Or at any position that is considered to be set, or that was previously addressed in this draft. What about another QB? None of those guys were worth a 7th round flyer just to see if they could outdo one of the 3 we already have? None of them had a higher grade than young Mr Prohl? All I am saying here is that it certainly looks exactly like it would if they were hoping to come down with somebody who fit a position of need in those later rounds, and they ignored the areas where they feel they are set.

Rich Gannon: “It’s inexcusable to me that young QB’s are left unattended on Monday and Tuesday by many coaches,” Gannon tweeted. “It’s like leaving a child in a car seat in a locked vehicle while you have a drink at the bar! Absolutely insane and it’s happening w too many teams. I know because the QB’s tell me.” Typically Monday in NFL is workout, treatment & game film review. Tuesday is players day off. Most QB's who aren't clueless come in on Tues to watch film. Not mandatory. But most are left alone in some dark room with no experience/knowledge as to how you breakdown an opponent. Trent Dilfer: Rich nails it again! NFL is seriously lacking in coaches that know how to “nurture” a QB to reaching his potential. Lots of them can “speak” QB development, very few actually have a clue how to execute. https://www.all22.com/nfl/rich-gannon-trent-dilfer-slam-nfl-quarterback-coaching#.WuXRiYgvwUE