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Maybe because he was old as dirt (by his own admission) when he got the head coaching job and was 71? Same can be said for Dan Reeves and probably now Marty...

Just because the line switches 1 and 3 technique assignments doesn't mean it's doom and gloom for the Bills. Just because Bill Parcells wants to run a 3-4 and signs Ferguson, who didn't do well in Wade's slanting version of the same defense doesn't mean we're behind in filling personnel needs. You look at the strength of the offense, you move your tackle and SAM linebacker, end of story. But continue drawing imaginary lines in the sand against fellow Bills fans. In July. One question - would y'all rather sit on your chairs with an air of superiority being right about the line or would you rather discuss it? Because it seems to me if you are wrong you'd just find something else that went wrong you were right about...

Our pro bowl OLT is signed for three more years, which he will still be signed for if he sat out. We can franchise Evans. It's not like they focus on one player at a time, literally...They're doing re-signings, rookies and trying to get key guys...I don't mind it one bit.

As much as it sucks, he doesn't want his family taxed twice for the team, which I can understand. If it were my multi-million dollar business, fans or no I'd be looking to make sure my family was okay first, THEN worry about "the fans" - who might I add over the years have seen me as everything from a hero, to a carpetbagger to the devil.

That's a really good point. Was it his injuries that led to this or his ineffectiveness outside of a blitzing 4-6 scheme? Personally, I think you are correct. Kudos.

Check his stats pre-last year. He had 25.5 Sacks or so from 2002 to 2006, in which he had 6. So yes, as a DT, Walker was considered a sack machine. Now, if you want to debate the fact that he was in a system that is built for someone to get the sack and he was the beneficiary, there ya go. But PR is right in that assertion of Walker. One thing I disagree with is the blitzing. Now, within the system when everyone was upright, look at the usage of Ko Simpson, Crowell and Spikes - especially in Fewell's first game vs the Pats (first ever as Bills DC, not last year). A good bit of blitzing...In fact if you look at a playbook of a team that uses the Tampa 2 model, there's a ton of zone blitz and blitzes in general available as arsenal. Only the Johnson-inspired Eagles and Giants defenses have more exotic types of blitzes.

Are these the same cops (Hamburg) that handle stadium parking on game-day? Because if those are the same guys, for the last 4 years I've had to wait and wait to get a spot, only to watch them allow their daughters/friends/girlfriends park on the grass next to their cruisers and run on into the stadium, and then get the police bee line out afterwards. Football towns get little things like this happening all the time with respect to police and players - if they're going to start airing dirty laundry the DA is in worse shape than I thought AND he's itching to get every Bills football player out of town as soon as their contract will allow.

Quick note: someone who is "ghetto", whatever definition you choose to throw around for said word notwithstanding, would not lawyer up and defend his inalienable rights. That "ghetto" person would probably brag about it, get thrown in jail and you'd never "half" (sic) to worry about them "darkening" your door.

Just heard him on Sirius. He's angry, he's nasty and he wants someone to take a chance on him. We should be that team. Not hating on Fowler, but you get a guy like that, he pushes fowler AND butler and makes our team better. And Preston can take a hike...maybe even Fowler with him.

Typically with Lasik, you can't wear contacts for at least a week or two prior to the surgery, so yet another defense on top of the Lasik is there - he couldn't have been wearing his contacts, and literally did not see the person. If he was driving. And this would have to have been scheduled weeks in advance, so yet another paper trail confirming his possible excuse.

Great Post by LifetimeBillsfan on the 'zone: (apologies if cross board quotes/reposting is not allowed) "It appears to me that those who are calling for Marshawn Lynch to talk to the Buffalo PD or the DA or make a statement about the incident that occurred with his SUV haven't watched many episodes of "Law and Order", "The First 48" or "Homicide: Life On The Streets", let alone ever been "Mirandized". The Miranda Warning is a statement that the police are required to read/state whenever they place a person under arrest. Part of that warning states: "You have a right to remain silent. Anything that you say can and will be used against you in a court of law...." The Miranda Warning also states that you have a right to an attorney. If you ask for an attorney, all questioning by the police must cease until your attorney is present--in order to protect your right against self-incrimination. And, the first thing that any criminal defense attorney will tell his/her client is not to say anything to the police (or anyone else for that matter). Why? Because "anything that you say can and will be used against you in a court of law". Not "for" you. "Against" you. This is the case whether you are innocent or guilty. But, especially if you have done something, anything in violation of the law. If you do talk to the police, they can say anything--including lie to you outright--in an effort to get you to make an incriminating statement--that can then be used against you in a court of law. If you have any sense at all, you say absolutely nothing unless instructed to do so by your attorney. Why? Because your lawyer is there to represent your interests and can speak for you. Also, because your attorney knows the law and you do not. Because your lawyer knows what can be said without incriminating you and how to say it and you do not. And, because "anything that you say can and will be used against you in a court of law". In order for you to be convicted of a criminal offense, the police and DA must have sufficient proof to convince a judge or a jury of your peers (usually drawn from the local community) that you committed the offense that they allege "beyond a reasonable doubt". The burden of proof in a civil case being, "by a preponderance of the evidence", is not as great. In most states, NY State being one I believe, there is a requirement of pre-trial "discovery" placed on the prosecution. That is a requirement that the prosecution must show the defense all of the evidence that it intends to present at trial before the trial begins. "Discovery" gives the defense attorney a chance to not only see the evidence, but be in a position to advise his/her client as to whether the prosecution has a strong enough case to be likely to get a conviction. In which case, the attorney may advise his/her client to accept a plea arrangement with the DA that avoids a trial and, usually, will result in a lesser charge and/or sentence than would likely be the result if the case were to go to trial. Whereas the police can lie or say anything that they want during an interview or interrogation, the law does not allow the DA's office to hide or lie about the evidence that it has and intends to use at trial during the "discovery" phase of a criminal proceeding. If the DA's office does lie or deliberately attempt to deceive the defense during "discovery", any conviction obtained as a result can be overturned on appeal and the attorneys involved risk being censured. So, it is not something that the DA's office is likely to attempt to do, particularly in a high-profile case. So, how does all of this apply to the Marshawn Lynch case? First of all, it appears that Lynch immediately did the smart thing and "lawyered up". That means that the Buffalo police cannot interview or interrogate him unless his attorney is present. Apparently it took his attorney a couple of days to arrive in Buffalo. Second, it appears that Lynch's attorney gave Marshawn the advice that any good criminal attorney would give him, telling him not to speak with anyone about the incident. Why? Because "anything that he says can and will be used against him in a court of law"! Third, it appears that Lynch is following his attorney's advice and not saying anything. Fourth, Lynch is under no obligation to speak with the police or the DA's office voluntarily, with or without his attorney present. Because--do I have to say it again?--anything that he says can and will be used against him in a court of law. If the police want to interrogate him, they can formally invite his attorney to bring him in or they can simply bring him in themselves. But, they cannot ask him to answer any questions without his lawyer being present. Fifth, it appears that Lynch's lawyer does not want Marshawn to talk with the police, who can lie through their teeth if they want to about what they have on Marshawn, until he has first discussed the case with the DA and at least informally discovered what the police and the DA have on Lynch at this point. Apparently, Lynch's attorney spoke with DA Clark on Friday and will be meeting with him again (Monday, I believe the Buffalo News reported). Now, let me stop here for a moment to comment: 1.) Whether he was driving the SUV that hit the woman or not, there are a lot of reasons why Lynch and his attorney may not want him to meet with the police or even issue a statement before it is absolutely necessary. Remember, anything that he says can and will be used, if not against him, against someone else. Also, the police can say whatever they want to him to induce him to say something that can then be used against him--or someone else. 2.) So, why should Lynch say anything to the police or to anyone at this point? For PR's sake? If Lynch was anywhere near that SUV that night--whether he was the driver, a passenger, or loaned the car to someone else--forget about PR: Lynch's public image is going to be damaged no matter what, this is an issue of someone possibly going to jail and/or being sued for a lot of money. Any attorney worth his salt would tell Marshawn to keep his mouth shut and issue no statements whatsoever until absolutely necessary. Whatever repairs can be made to his public image can be made afterwards--and are more likely to be made if he is able to play football and not while spending time in jail or on the suspended list. 3.) While Marshawn is keeping his mouth shut and not talking to the police or the DA, his attorney is talking to the DA. And, they are not talking about the weather in Buffalo at this time of year. If he is doing his job as well as he appears to be from what has been reported, Lynch's lawyer is talking with the DA about what the police have on his client, what kind of charges they want to file, and perhaps even about a possible plea arrangement that might allow his client to avoid jail time and a suspension by the NFL commissioner (he may even be making discreet inquiries about how the NFL office would react to Lynch pleading out to various charges). These being lawyers and, in the case of the DA, politicians, there may even be some discussions about how much publicity the DA wants to get out of this case and what would be the best settlement for the DA politically as well. 4.) The Bills may not have said anything publicly about the incident or Marshawn's involvement, but they have millions of dollars invested in him and in any other players who may have been with him. That being the case, you can bet that they have been talking, behind the scenes, with the DA and Lynch's lawyer as well. The last thing the Bills want to see happen is Lynch being taken on a "perp walk" in front of the local media or have their lockerroom atmosphere destroyed because Lynch names a fellow teammate as the one driving the car or says that it was the teammates who were his passengers who urged him to flee the scene of the accident, etc. As it stands now, without any tests proving that he was legally impaired by alcohol at the time of the accident, at worst, Marshawn Lynch stands to be charged with a single count of leaving the scene of an accident if the police and DA can produce enough evidence that he was the driver. It is a Class A misdemeanor that can possibly be pled down to a lesser charge as a first offense. No jail time. Probably no suspension by the NFL as a first offense, either. Yes, his reputation and public image will be harmed. Yes, his character will be called into question. But, those are things that can be repaired, at least somewhat, and often are forgotten if not repeated. Yes, he will likely be sued by the woman who was injured and will probably have to pay her a hefty amount of cash. But, money can be replaced. Time cannot. If Lynch says anything more than he has before he is charged (or afterwards for that matter), if he agrees to meet with the police and refuses to answer their questions, etc., he would be opening himself--and/or possibly a couple of his teammates as well--up to a variety of other charges that could cost him FAR more than what he stands to lose at this point. Depending on who else may have been in his SUV when it struck the woman, that could also have a disastrous impact on the Bills lockerroom as well. I think it is safe to say that Lynch, his attorney, the Bills and even the DA and Buffalo Police Department know this. And, they are going to try to resolve this case in a way that will allow all of the parties involved to come out of it with the least amount of damage and the most amount of favorable publicity that they can. Now, undoubtedly, there are some who will question whether this is "right" or not. "Right" has nothing to do with it. It isn't about what is "right" or moral. It is about the law and how the application of the law works in this country and in the State of New York. Bills fans can question what is right or wrong in this instance. They can debate whether Lynch was driving or not; whether he was legally impaired or drunk at the time of the accident; who was in the car with him; why he didn't stop after hitting the woman, if he was driving; etc., etc., etc. None of that matters. Cold as it may sound, the only thing that matters is what the Buffalo PD and the DA's office can prove in a court of law and what they cannot. And, as Marshawn Lynch's attorney undoubtedly knows, it does not behoove Lynch to say or do anything that would give them anything more that they can use against him in a court of law than they are able to get from other sources. Like it or not--and you may very well not like it at all--that is how the law works. And, it is before the law and not the court of public opinion that this case will ultimately be resolved."

Is the desire to remove Lynch from the roster a backlash of the "Bills Character" issue? Because players have done far worse and never got caught (or when they got caught let go quickly) or is this an "I'm morally superior to NFL Players, Lynch in particular" issue? Because either way it doesn't make sense. We know only what is in the press and what people have assumed based on that. As someone in another post stated, what if the driver was a fringe player or draftee? Or, for those of you who desire Lynch to be cut, what if the occupants of the vehicle were Evans, Lynch, McCargo and Poz? You really want all four of them cut, because if the evil Mr. Lynch hit this schoolteacher as she was trying to cross her class (as some are now displaying this woman metaphorically speaking) those guys would be just as guilty for not coming forward.

Bunk methinks.

32 - OJ...which guarantees no one will wear it, for fear of remembering who wore it.

As previously stated, JP in that Jets game was a bad play on the ball by their safety away from throwing a pick. In the KC game, where the defense ate Trent Green for lunch? And an offense that was led by a 9/16 137 yard 2 td (to Evans, surprise surprise) effort by that Magic Man? Compare for a second JP to the NFL Vagabond that was Trent Green. Trent was an eighth round pick of the chargers who bounced around the league and found a niche eventually in KC. He had two games that season where he threw for sub 200. JP that year had 9, including two games where he threw for 75 yards. Think about that for a minute. 75 yards. As a rookie, Edwards had 7, including one game of 97 yards. So as a rookie, his worst statistical game was against the NE Patriots in mop up duty, as opposed to Losman's two games against the terrible Saints and the Atlanta Falcons. Trent isn't a hall of famer, nor do I expect him to be. I just expect him to be better than JP Losman.

I'll be...Russian Football Fans (and people in general) are CRAZY! A few years ago as part of my grad work I was there and had an opportunity to go to a game...not going was one of the best things in life I've ever done. Instead, I went to a sports bar, where the Russians there were quite cool. At the actual game however, there were almost 20 fights, 5 of which were racially motivated and one in which the guy got hospitalized for pretty bad injuries. When I mentioned it to our security officer, he looked at me and asked why would I want to go somewhere to be lynched? I've never looked at American Football fans the same since. I've been to some away stadiums and never (save one hairy Steelers Ravens MNF) have I felt my actual life may be in danger while enjoying a hobby.

A Great Post on this very subject I read this morning on BZ by LifeTimeBillsFan: You know, Pat, you're right: it would be nice if Whitner improves on those stats. If the players around him stay reasonably healthy, it is quite reasonable to expect Whitner, entering his third season in the league, to step up and be more productive than he was last season. But, it would also be nice if you checked out the stats of Bob Sanders--the player that Whitner was drafted to be for the Bills' Tampa 2 defense--over his first couple of seasons on NFL.com. Or, at least, had read the information that I posted comparing Whitner's first two seasons with the Bills to Sanders' first three seasons with the Colts before you criticize Whitner's stats. The numbers are eerily similar: in 24 games (22 starts), Sanders had 119 solo tackles, 33 assists, 4 passes defensed, two interceptions, no forced or recovered fumbles--Sanders, who got some of his tackles on STs, also missed 22 games over those three years with injuries. While Sanders had a good sophomore season, comparable in numbers to Whitner's rookie campaign, he was not yet the force that made him the NFL Defensive MVP until he returned from the injury that caused him to miss 12 games during his third season and played a major role in the playoffs in 2006. If you read the comments that were made about him after he was drafted by the team, the Bills drafted Whitner not only to be their Bob Sanders on the field, but to be a team leader. And, this is just more evidence of the fact that he has stepped to become the leader that they drafted and expected him to be. Now, with cast of players around him, if his teammates can stay reasonably healthy, perhaps Whitner will be able to concentrate on becoming more of a play-maker and difference-maker for them on defense this coming season. Hopefully, he will be able to step up and fill that role on the field.

If by silly stupid things you mean he's fathered several children who now know who their father is and wonder why he a) isn't around, b) doesn't love their mother, c) at times won't pay for things they need and d) is not a positive role model on their lives then yeah, you're right. James Hardy is an example, right or wrong of a kid whose dad did nothing to help him in the development process of note; Willis is "just" a guy that is doing that for four to six kids. No biggie.

With all the DUI/DWIs, Domestic abuse et al on the superbowl teams, I would think by now character = football character on the field and not the person off the field. I don't know how many times I've heard marv say that, yet fans are eager with the first player screw up to claim we've stopped getting character guys. If it's 3rd and 8 from the seven and he's dogging it, then talk to me. Til he has been proven to be a menace to the greater WNY community (and apparently does not go to a pro bowl) I'll reserve judgment.

Some of the domed teams still get complaints, as do the Seahawks. No one to my recollection has been given a penalty recently...

"Bring us your slow, your undersized, your out of position and undeveloped and we will give them a chance...."

Lynch Mob...James Gang....I'm McLovin' It!

From the article on the front page: “I’m cognizant of the fact that I represent more than just the Buffalo Bills, but also the United States Army. I just have to do the best I can and serve in multiple facets. I don’t look at it as backing away from my commitment because I still am serving my country in the role of a recruiter. My service to my nation won’t be done when I’m done with the Buffalo Bills because no matter if I spend one day or 10 years in the NFL, I plan on serving my nation when my career is over.” -Mike Viti I hope this guy makes the team.

Better than a boston accent....

Technically, it's Mike Shula's players that were terrible and not Sabans...yet. Also, one of their best players Caldwell (one of 3 top centers in 09) didn't declare early, which would have helped us out! Side note: looking at the pre-09 draft rankings, it seems the hoity toity Matt Ryan had one of the top 4 TEs to throw to, disproving the belief he was the only draftable skill position player on that team...idiots (espn et al, not the fine folks here...)