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Absolutely heartbreaking. God have mercy.

Of being a decent human being.

NFL Network Path to the Draft (6 EST and rerun at 8, I think) is supposed to feature Mahomes today.

Cardale is a long shot. I am not writing him off. I assume after a year with the team, the Bills have a fairly good idea of his potential. If they are high on him, they won't take a qb early this year.

My impression of many who want to defer qb till next year is that 1) most are severely underrating this qb class; those who aren't view them as at best a 1 in 3 chance to be good whilst viewing next year's top qbs as 1 in 2 or better and 2) they assume Taylor will prove to be a good qb and it won't be an issue or he will flop and our bad record will allow us to trade up or take a qb next year without needing to do so. It may be a tired response, but I still think the 2018 class, like almost every class "next year," benefits from lack of scrutiny. Maybe Darnold and Rosen and the Wyoming qb Allen are really good, maybe they will regress; nobody really knows. Unless you finish worst or second worst and draft at the very top, you likely aren't trading up for a top qb. The teams in those spots will take them unless SF takes a qb this year and still finishes near worst (which is possible). So, I find it ironic that advocates for "being sensible" and filling holes with less risky, more immediate impact players now are also largely buying in to "selling the farm" next year to get the qb they likely won't have an opportunity to purchase in any event. Won't the team have holes that need filling next year as well? The bottom line is if you judge a qb has real potential to be a franchise qb and you are in a position to draft him this year, it is utterly foolish to go in a different direction. We have tried the "different direction" for two decades and it has gotten us 1999 and counting.

Well stated, but folks will just come back at you that the run game was strong because of Tyrod. (He probably does help as the D has to account for another runner, but overall, a genuinely good qb is certainly something this team lacks and has lacked for nearly twenty years.)

He also thinks the NC coach was a bonehead for posting the pic of the Bills coach and owner when they were there to look at Trubisky. While a lot of folks think the Bryce Petty wine and dine is proof that the Bills interest in qb is a smokescreen, Gabriel thinks the presence of the owner signifies real interest in the position. Thinks the Bills at #10 will pick the third qb off the board (apparently either Kizer or Mahomes.) So, this is a meh qb class . . .

John C. made this post in another thread: The attached link is a WGR interview with Greg Gabriel. He talks about the qb class and his belief that the class is better than many non NFL analysts indicate. He pointed out that the top part of the class is going to be drafted in a rather short order. http://www.wgr550.co...-mike-schoppmp3 Note: The relevant part of the interview is from about the 7 minute to shortly after the 11 minute mark. It's pretty interesting.

Dobbs is my pick as well if we take a late round flier.

Yes, I think teams actually have the qbs rated higher than the popular view among most pundits and there are too many qb needy teams, including teams like the Cards and Steelers with aging vets that will be looking to add qb early. I don't really include Kizer, though I suspect he will go before #44 as well. Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson are the qbs I am interested in. If one of them is there at #44, I will be very surprised. I will then be apoplectic when the Bills pass on whoever is there to take a different player.

I think you are way off on the quality of this qb draft class. Most likely they will be very Billsy and recycle cb.

You may be right, but all the qbs worth taking will be long gone by #44.

Astro had some sort of predictive filter a while back that had us taking Trubisky at #10 and Cam Robinson at #44. I said I would be happy with that and you said . I still like it.

Well, I'm with you and Jeffismagic on this -- and I absolutely see the scheme fit with lb and Foster, Bills weak at lb, etc. -- but if we pass on Trubisky and Mahomes to fill a hole on D, it will be more of the same bad strategy. I think this qb class is underrated. The fact that they all need a year of seasoning has folks buying that this is 2013 redux. It's not. Ah, well, at least this mock, it isn't another cb.

Yes, I believe this is correct. Yet a Bills' insider (Leroi) claims our interest is all smokescreen designed to get one of a designated handful of players 2 wr, 1 te, 1 cb, 1 de to fall to us. This could be more disinformation, of course, or rank speculation, though I have been told by various long-time members here that Leroi is legit. This disappoints me, as I like a number of qbs and franchise qb trumps other needs in my view.

I was not being sarcastic. Leroi is supposedly a real insider and he says it is a smokescreen. I don't agree with OBD's strategy, but it is what it is as they say.

Message board proofreader is a full-time job. Watch out for Trubinsky . . .

33, Cosell -- you happy now?

I am reliably told by many on this board that the qb interest is a smokescreen, so apparently none of this matters.

Revised mock seems very plausible. Bills cycle first round cbs --- novel tactic.

My recollection is he is hit and miss, so I am uncertain if he is really speculating or not. I have not paid very close attention, however, so maybe you're right. As I said, if so, this does not encourage me that OBD is on the right track. I'll repeat what I've said in a few other threads Leroi has contributed to: we likely get the first WR at #10. Maybe someone takes Howard, but this is a deep draft at TE. It is also a deep draft at DB. The positions Leroi says we are targeting don't need a smokescreen, do they? Only thing I can figure is DE and maybe wanting a specific player to fall. Imo

And lots of folks here would applaud it

What WR is going before #10? All this is a ruse to make sure Howard is available? That's a very implausible scenario being spun. This is a deep year at TE and DB. On the other hand, this is OBD, so who knows?

Leroi also says smokescreen, so I am inclined to agree with you. Imo

Well, not according to Leroi -- I am not convinced he is not a fraud, but if legit, we are following the tired path to failure once again.