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I think its generally a mistake to raid 2018 draft picks to move up in the 2017 draft. Obviously, we could. I will reiterate. I would only think about such a move for a franchise qb.

When you have only six picks in the draft, trading up is probably unwise. I don't think Allen would be worth the cost. DW continues to get raked over the coals for trading up for Sammy. Might be different without the injury issues and deficiencies at qb. Imo, we don't have the resources and I would only trade up if OBD has identified a franchise qb.

I have been arguing that having Taylor on a team friendly contract gives one the opportunity to sit a qb and let him develop. Any qb taken at #10 or later will need time. I have not noticed a lot of posters thinking otherwise. There is one fella who is indeed promising the Hall of Fame. Most other posters are more rational in their evaluations. For the record, I like Mahomes, Trubisky, and Watson. I just believe we need to address qb now. I think it's a pretty good draft class, not a bad one or "meh" as many seem to believe. None of them are can't miss. It's still a risk, but good teams evaluate well and minimize risk. That hasn't been us, of course, but it isn't metaphysically impossible for the Bills to draft a good qb. All this assumes Taylor is not a franchise qb. Those who believe he is will naturally dissent.

No one is forcing you to read the thread. Strange reaction to wish ill on a fella that way. If DW passes on a franchise qb, all the fans who want to fill positional holes on D or WR now instead will be calling for his head later. Half of them will be telling you how they wanted Mahomes or Trubisky, etc.

With that kind of logic, the only time the team won a championship, they were sporting the standing buffalo.

And yet those who dismiss Mahomes continue to trot out this simplistic argument. Jeff George, Cutler, etc. I won't make absolute claims: very few are impressed with arm strength alone. Obviously it is not determinative of future success. Having a strong arm, however, joined with other necessary qualities, is undoubtedly a plus. Do you treat being a qb for an Air Raid i.e. spread collegiate offense as equivalent to a bad character flaw that takes a player off your draft board -- or significantly lowers his draft value? Many qbs from this system were Johnny Football size fellas. Mahomes is different and I think he can develop, assuming he has good character, intelligence, and work ethic.

I don't think anyone is arguing about next year. The question is whether Tyrod is a long term solution or a bridge qb. If he's a bridge qb, don't you want the developmental qb on the roster "developing" so that the bridge is actually going somewhere? Mahomes has prototypical size, athleticism, and a howitzer. He's creative and makes throws in spite of horrible mechanics. 1) the main point is to get the ball to the receiver. If he does that, I don't really care what his mechanics are. 2) the idea is to draft him to sit and learn for a year or two. It's up to our GM, scouts, and coaches to determine if the young man has the character, intelligence and adaptability to break bad habits and learn. Tarring him with a "far worse version of Cutler" brush is patently unfair. We KNOW Cutler's ceiling, limits, and stubbornness. He's a finished product with flaws that were never fixed. We absolutely do not know this about Mahomes. Further, we do know he played on a team that was defensively terrible, so he knew he had to put up fifty points a game to compete. This might provide some context for "careless gunslinging." Imo, it's a mistake to pass on him if he's available at #10.

This is my favorite, but the current unis are excellent. No to red helmets and no to infinity red helmets and color rush uniforms.

NFL and Christian do not seem synonymous to me.

Get out of your egocentric bubble. I was acknowledging the clever neo-logism; it has nothing to do with you. And if you are tracking, I've made numerous pejorative comments about taking a cb and have been promoting Mahomes in many threads, including this one, including several posts right above this one.

I'm going to add acluistic to my arsenal

Hope so. I'm already looking forward to being supremely ticked off when the Bills pass on Mahomes at #10. It would ruin my whole draft to have to be angry the 49ers took him at #2

If this is true, he'll be a Niner. I can't see the Bills trading up to #1.

I believe Mahomes is going to be featured on NFL Network's Path to the Draft tonight. If you want him, I think you have to take him at #10. Arizona may take him at #13. I'd be shocked if he made it to the second round. If he does, Cleveland either takes him or reaps a slew of picks. No way he makes it to #44.

Oh, well. There goes the chance for the chaplain to break the tie in the draft war room.

The presupposition in your reasoning is that this year's class of qbs is "meh." If you are wrong there, much of your reasoning falls apart. I do agree this appears to be a draft rich at many areas of need, so I am not dismissive of your argument. However, I am also dubious that we will be in a position to trade up to get a franchise qb next year. I suspect Cleveland, SF, and a good number of other teams will be likely better equipped to grab an available franchise qb. For that reason, I think you take the shot now if you think there is a fella with a good chance to develop into a top-tier qb. Of course, if you think they are all long-shots, your strategy is more sound.

Like GunnerBill, I like Watson. I think he'll go a lot earlier than folks think. I also like Mahomes. He's a risk, but we can afford to sit him and let him learn with Taylor's nice, bridge qb contract. I don't think these are "meh" qbs, so I would take a shot at them, probably Trubisky as well. Filling a "hole" that is an immediate need is short-term thinking, imo. We should go after the franchise qb if we think one of these fellas has a legitimate chance to become one.

You have probably said somewhere here, but I'm not up to reading through all the threads. Do you like a qb in this class?

If we are in a WIN NOW MODE as you so subtly put it, there is likely more disappointment. Bad franchises or good ones with aging franchise qbs are win now mode. Having just gotten TT on a nice, revised bridge qb contract, the intelligent thing to do would be to acquire the qb who needs a year or two of development. The point of a bridge qb is it gives you time to develop a franchise qb without throwing him to the wolves and ruining him before he has a chance to grow. And we're not likely to WIN NOW, though we certainly will probably win enough that one is excluded from a chance at Darnold, who is probably the qb from the 2018 draft still apt to be coveted after another collegiate year and much more scrutiny. Further, teams with elite qbs are almost always relevant. Teams that defer finding one because they have to fill holes often spend decades in the wilderness. Indeed, if one looks at the relative lack of attention to qb by the Bills, it is possible that tactic is the most consistent ingredient in their "idiocy." Otherwise, fine post.

This is a sound explication of how collaborative decisions are often reached. I also agree with wiskibreth's comment that the interview should not be taken as the elucidation of a decision hierarchy. Years of failure make people angry and they presume everything is keystone cops. I surmise more probable is that the Pegulas are intelligent, sincere people who are fundamentally decent, but naive and inexperienced as owners of professional sports franchises. There is a learning curve for everything. I think it will be okay and at minimum, without their intervention, we don't have teams to argue about. Just for chuckles, I wish they would work out an NFL draft room skit where the Chaplain breaks the tie, but then we'd likely get more knee-slapping priest jokes and less subtle accusations that the Pegulas are stupid because they are religious and value people of faith, so maybe not.

He comes across as a world-class jerk. I'm glad he's gone.

I am an advocate for qb in the first, but it's simply ill-mannered and wrong to call everyone an idiot who doesn't agree.

Well, either Pegula is a well-meaning, but hopeless idiot or your interpretation is true. I like the Pegulas and prefer to maintain a semblance of hope for the future of the Buffalo sports franchises, so I'm going with your version until definitively proven otherwise.

Implied: if the draft is defense heavy and he is okay with the place-holder qb, the reality is he is going to try and win low-scoring games with conservative offense.

That appears to make sense, so politicians will never go for it.