Bill from NYC

I totally disagree. Terrible is Langston Walker, Jerry Ostroski, Marcus Spriggs and Terrance Pennington. Greg Jerman was way beyond terrible. Pears, imo, is average vs. the pass, and above average on runs. Hairston, who admittedly did not improve this season, is strong, and has enough balance to fill in on the left side. Teams need a backup swing tackle.

Probably so, along with safety.

Your point is taken, but otoh, AW has absolutely nothing good to point at in terms of his entire body of work. There really is nothing. He was consistently beat by virtually every receiver he attempted to cover. What is WAY worse (and not his fault at all) is the fact that we passed on quarterbacks who can play in order to draft him. Icing on the ugly cake is that Nix said that he had offers to trade down in every round in that draft. Imo, Williams is symbolic of almost all of what is wrong with this franchise. He's a modern day Whitner.

The following, in the same format as my weekly "Thoughts," is not intended to be expert opinion. Through the years, I have been wrong as many times as I have been right wrt qbs, QB is not a position at which I claim any real expertise. I am a better judge of blockers, For instance, I knew how good Hasselback would be coming out of college. I also thought that RJ would be a superb quarterbck. That said, here goes..... 1) In terms of free agents, I like Matt Moore a lot more than Alex Smith. Neither is a franchise qb imo. In fact, this is pretty obvious. But Moore is better than Fitz (or so I think), and I see no upside in Smith. 2) The draft? My favorite qb is Tyler Bray. He coud very well be a head case, but his talent makes him worth the risk imo. And, Marrone is fresh out of college. If he is worth a damn, he should be able to handle a young buck such as Bray. 3) I am not high on Tyler Wilson. Why not? Because he isn't a pimple on Ryan Mallet's ass. I hope this is clear. 4) Geno Smith? He will probably be good. But imho he will need a few years to be comparable to Matt Schuab, who I tend to liken him to, at very best, and consider this to be his ceiling. 5) Barkley? Unimpressed. Lots of air under his passes. But, he might be a Brady type. I for one don't see it. So there you have it. Old timers like me on this site have not been afraid to be "wrong." Does it really matter? In a perfect world, we coukd trade down just a few spots and draft Bray, but do we take a chance? This is a very strange draft imo. I hope to see other opinions and have some fun with this thread.

Great choice Astro.Remember, he didn't get a ton of chances due to the unbelieveable talent around him. Saban likes to run, and he had both Lacey and Yeldon in the backfield, not to mention the freshman wideout, and every other great player on the Tide. Williams get open, and has very soft hands. It would be interesting to see how many reps he can do with 225.

Why not? I feel like we have done the same while chasing RBs and of course defensive backs.

Not to worry. Even if he is hurt and the Bills don't draft him, it might not change much. In 2006, Whitner was taken at #8, and he was the second safety drafted. Just last season, they took Gilmore at 10, and he was actually the 3rd defensive back taken in round 1. So you just might get your wish. It won't win us games, and will hurt the franchise yet again, but your prediction could come true.

Great idea. Maybe we should even trade up to get Milliner if need be. We must leave no stone unturned to continue wasting resources and to lose football games.

. Every year, under contract or not, he holds out or threatens to do so. Now, he is still talking about how great he is, and he's coming off of major surgery. I feel no sympathy at all for Revis, and I love that the jets are wasting so much cap space on a disruptive, injured corner. It's great to see a divisional rival be so stupid.,

The Transition Tag would cost approx. 8.5 for Levitre, and his agent would be free to negotiate a deal with ONE team and bring it to the Bills. If the Bills don't match, he walks and the Bills get no compensation. I am not positive, but I think that this is how it works. That said, it isn't the worst idea if need be.

Sorry if this is getting too much into semantics, but we both know better than the bolded. Maybe we should clarify what a "good selection" is. To me, it means more than the player being "good." Football teams are constructed primarily upon draft choices. GMs need to select players who will win football games for their team. If the team is losing, what difference does it make if for example Gilmore is "good?" One of the numerous QBs that the Bills passed on was also good, AND would have been better for the franchise, AND won us football games!!! This idiocy as we know is not limited to the QB position. Last season, this team in essence played with no quality linebackers. NE drafted Hightower at #25. In theory, we could have traded down, drafted a "good" player (Hightower), and acquired additional selections, or at least 1. Instead, Nix followed the Bills never ending trend of scooping up DBs and RBs with his best resources. And of course, the losing continued.

He showed some promise and as you said, he was a rookie. But his season was far from stellar. He had 1 interception in 16 games, was often penalized, and gave up some big time passes. Do I expect to see improvement? Yes. Was this a great season for a #10 selection? No, not imo.

Good point. Now, given the impact of the rule changes, would this make a guard such as Levitre actually more valueable? I always thought that pass protection was his strong suit, although he is a better than average run blocker as well imo. Because he played LT in college, he seems to have great balance and footing, and be tough to beat on passing downs. I guess what I am asking is will the smaller, more agile guards be a better fit in this new game than the big bruisers (who are NOT named Chance Warmack ) ?

I couldn't agree more Pete and as you recall, you and I have been through some funny, albeit painful drafts on this board. I think that the Bills are going to go after either Alex Smith or Matt Moore. Of those two, probably Smith becuse he has a high completion percentage. Then, they will go for a QB in round 2. This is only a hunch and what I am feeling at this time. This brings us back to round 1. I am thinking that if Milliner is there, they will draft him at #8. I really hope he is taken in the top 7, and I am a huge Alabama fan. Milliner is better than Gilmore in coverage. He's a very good player, but I don't want the Bills to draft him. Taking DBs early has destoyed this football team.

I think that this was a great signing for the reasons that you mentioned. Frankly, I am surprised that the got him at this low price. Btw, do you think that they will be able to sign Levitre? I know that it could be done, but if my life depended on it I am thinking that he walks.

Best post of the thread. The thing is, it really is true. I remember actually being worried that someone would be crippled or killed when Jerman was on the field. He was knocked on his ass, trampled, and/or tossed around on virtually every play, and it barely took 2 seconds. Then there would be clear, straight lanes to the qb and running backs. Unbelieveable.

Matt, what I remember most wrt Dockery was his clean uniforms. I am the nut that watches the blockers more than anything else during games. If there was no replay, I would miss many tds. Dockery put ZERO effort into his job. He was on the field thinking about his paycheck. I got the feeling that he could have blocked someone if he wanted to, but he absolutely didn't care. His played with no aggression; it was as if he was out there defending himself.And his body seemed to never hit the ground. At the end of a game, his uniform looked as if he just put it on.

Donte Whitner is symbolic of every single thing that is wrong with this team. His selection, attitude and his level of play point to why this team is where it is, and this includes much of what you mentioned. Badol is expressing his opinion about his level of play, which btw clearly cost his team a superbowl. He thinks (and I agree) that Whitner is a mediocre at best safety. Why are you so invested in his opinion of one football player? Why not leave it alone and perhaps you will see his side on other issues? Or maybe not, but at least there is room for interesting, constructive dialogue.

Try watching "Love Happens" and then let me know if there was ever a worse movie.

A little over the top, no? The man stated an opinion.

I strongly agree. Saban is going to make an example out of them, and other players will notice. Then he will win without these criminals. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great idea!!! Badol, how would you rate Moore as compared to Fitz in terms of talent, and who is a better fit for this team? Also, do you have any thoughts wrt the qb crop in 2013? I for one am not so high on Tyler Wilson. I tried to get excited about Glennon but it didn't work, and don't know enough about Smith or Nassib to make a pertinent comment. Klein is hard to rate. He can run, and even seems to be able to throw some, But his motion is very odd. It seems as if he pushes the ball, and this can't work in the pros. Can a motion be radically changed? How is the kid from Tennessee? PS: I truly hope that we keep Levitre. Imo he is a great guard in this league given the rule changes.

There were just so many horror show blockers, we could spend days talking about them. Pucillo was just about as bad as it gets at guard, and Jerman was the worst OT perhaps I have ever seen at the professional level. He was SO bad tht I once contacted Lori about him. In so many words, I asked her if I was seeing things, and she confirmed my suspicions. Again, I was actually concerned for his safety. Corey Loucheiy was an interesting player, in terms of being terrible. When he ran out on the field, he looked as he could play. It took me longer than usual to realize that he was flat out horrible. The man just couldn't play at all. Same wrt Fowler. He had the footing and his technique appeared to be sound. He too looked like a center, but he was brutally beaten on almost every down. You can't make this stuff up.

Nice catch. Spriggs was God awful, and he didn't even care when he gave up sacks. In fact, one time against Tampa he missed a block and RJ got crushed. He was on the turf actually bleeding, and Spriggs wouldn't help him up. There was never a player I had less respect for. The absolute worst blocker I ever saw on the Bills was left tackle Greg Jerman. He was bad to the point that he was a danger to have on the field. He was brutalized on every play, and the backs/qbs were on their own. He at least tried, but I actually remember being in fear for his safety.

As a long time poster, I have had my share of hits and misses on this board. Remember, I thought tht RJ was going to be great and lead this team to victory. I fully admit this. That said, my biggest meltdown was when they drafted Whitner. I would have been fine with a list of other players in that stocked draft. And, Marv said that there were numerous trade down offers. I stand by my prediction that he will be cut before next season. Imo, if the 49ers do win the superbowl, they will do so sans Whitner.