Bill from NYC

OK..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirby_Smart

I am guessing that you are pulling my leg.

He also realized that instead of the Dolphins signing Drew Brees as he requested, they stuck him with Dante Culpepper. Imo, Saban could come into the NFL today and win. He would bring Kirby Smart with him once again, and build yet another winner.

There are SO many different types of arm strength. I think that almost every qb can throw a ball 60 yards. But what matters most is the actual zip on the last 5 or 10 yards. Does it flutter in ala Fitz/Tuel, or does it fly in ala Bledsoe/Marino. How much air does a qb need to throw a long pass? Losman, as bad as he was, needed little. I saw Ryan Mallett toss a FLAT FOOTED 50 yard post pattern and the football was never higher than 20 feet. As for Tuel specifically, I think that Trent Edwards had a better arm. Tuel already has better pocket presence than Trent, but his long ball flutters big time. That's a big problem at this level, or so I see it my friend.

Oddly enough, it seems as if you and I have reversed positions on qb play. Imo it is now SUCH a qb driven league, there appears to be little place for a qb with such limited arm strength. We shall see.

I admitted a mistake about A. Williams in the OP. If you recall, when we drafted him the team that went after us traded their pick in round 2 and got a first in the following season. Now, he looks VERY good and I sing his praises. I also do admit that I care a lot where players are drafted. I think that most of us do. For instance, who do you focus on more, Gilmore or Moats? We have pros making draft decisions and some are mind boggling, but I still hang onto the right to expect a great deal from a top 10 pick. People like you and I are fanatics. We love this team and have too much invested in it. Want proof? It's 5 AM. I work at 7:30 and am drinking coffee and talking to you about the Bills lol. Maybe we can agree to disagree about not what Gilmore CAN be, but where he is now. And, maybe my expectations from a #10 ARE too high. You be the judge. What I do promise is that when he makes a play and ices a game for us, my praise for him will be as loud as any poster here. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This post is nonsense. I heaped praise on Spiller for his game on Sunday. As for Gilmore, a recent post shows PFF agreeing with me. You, by jumping all over me for having opinions, are doing pretty much what you accuse me of. You seem to have preconceived notions on what I say. It would be like me blasting you week after week and reminding every poster of your current, and long time praise of Dick Jauron. Who knows? Perhaps one day you will change your mind about your jobless football hero. I think he was a disaster, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion. As for Gilmore, I would like more from a #10 selection in an NFL draft. As a Bills Fan yes, I AM a tad gun shy of wasted resources. You know what I mean.....picks like Maybin, Whitner, and other selections by your football icon Dick Jauron. If and when Gilmore comes around I will be as happy as you, and will talk all day about how he wins us a game, or better yet games.

How about kill the clock, go up by 10, and receive the football to start the 3rd quarter with an undrafted rookie qb. Does this sound stupid to you? Seriously, your blind allegiance is hard to comprehend, and even a bit boring in terms of discussion.

So true! Now who, in any stretch of the imagination, would consider Tuel a "legit QB?" Seriously, would you? I am happy to agree to disagree and always welcome the dialogue. This board is great. So please make your case to me how Marrone has not been killing this team before the half in many of our games. And yes, I said Marrone, not Hackett. A strong head football coach in the NFL makes the crucial decisions. He doesn't stand there clueless. He makes the calls and the big bucks. Am I wrong?

http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/163321-a-few-thoughts-about-the-game-in-no-particular-order/#entry2965076 KD answers your question.

Great post, thank you!!!

I hope that you don't mean me with the comment about "pointless hate." I am 100% willing to admit mistaken opinions. I did so in the OP wrt A. Williams. I credit Marrone with bringing in Pettine (if this was his call). I also like that the team is always fighting back. If you think that Marrone is doing a good job of clock management (ESPECIALLY around the deuce at halftime) and play calling, please illustrate your point. And btw thanks for the dialogue.

That's easy: 1) Pettine is great. He really is. He puts players such as Searcy and Robey to make plays. He's the best we have had at DC as far back as I can remember. The aggression is just fantastic. 2) Mario has 11 sacks. 3) Between Dareus, KW, and Branch, the Bills are stong up the middle. 4) Kiko and Woods are 2nd round picks playing at first round level. 5) Glenn looks like a totally legit LT. 6) Hughes for Sheppard. Credit Marrone as you choose, I will go with the above.

Thank you for this. If this was the first time this happened, it wouldn't be THAT much of a big deal. But Marrone is screwing up before halftime week after f&*%$#g week. He doesn't deserve a pass for this ongoing display of inadequate coaching.

The Chiefs had 2 timeouts. The Bills could have forced them to use them. As for the pick six, if Marrone didn't make that call, he should have. Great coaches take charge when it counts. This is what makes them great.

Penalties matter too, no?

1) I like Robey more and more every week. He made a great play on that 3rd and 3 to hold the Chiefs to a field goal in the 2nd quarter. This kid is a keeper, and they need to sign him for a few years. 2) Kudos to CJ Spiller. The guy can make plays. Hopefully with a rest he will get to full speed. 3) The middle of the Bills DL did everything I asked of them. They were not at all the problem today. 4) Question for all.....who would you rather have on your football team, Jairus Byrd or Aaron Williams? Place me in the Williams camp. And let me be the first one to admit that I thought he sucked, and was a wasted pick. He not only is a talented safety, he goes balls to the wall on every play. 5) Two passes just after the deuce at the half while KC had 2 timeouts and then an incompletion? They left the Chiefs with 1:47, after burning all of 13 seconds. Is this how it works? More about Marrone later. 6) Same old story and I know it's been told. Some like jelly jelly, Some like gold. Many a man's done a terrible thing, just to get baby, a shiny diamond ring. 7) It's a shame that Tuel has a worse arm than an average high school quarterback. He does seem to feel the pass rush. That said, he should be cut, and I am talking about tonight. 8) I always did like Chandler, but he had 2 drops today that turned my stomach. It's time for another tight end folks. 9) Speaking of drops, the one by Easley was rather gut wrenching, no? 10) Help me here.....was there a worse call in NFL history than the one which resulted in a 101 yard pick six? I hate to be to critical of Saint Marrone. Wait..... this is a lie. He is an amateur. A rank amateur. He hasn't a clue. Not one freaking clue. 11) Gilmore was brutal today. How long must we wait for him to produce? Maybe we should wait for his contract to expire and slap the franchise tag on him, no? 12) HUGE shout out to Coach Petine!!! He is doing a splendid job with what he has, despite being hamstrung by the coaching on the offensive side and of course from the top. 13) On the pass on which Woods was banged up (late 3rd quarter) he was held for 5, maybe 10 yards. Am I the only one who saw this? 14) Kiko is on a fast track to being all pro. He is a pleasure to watch. 15) Lots of talent on this roster. Good quarterback play and we are a legit team, let alone a very good one. 16) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I said Bandit, field position at home can work wonders. What I mentioned above is why Gilmore was drafted and why Byrd was franchised. I hope that we kick to start the game, hold them to 3 and out, get field position, and of course score. We can come back and look at this, but I have a strange feeling......... GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned what I think could be a HUGE factor in this game. I am referring to the Bills secondary. The Chiefs love to run, but imo the Bills are strong enough up the middle to slow them down. Players such as Dareus, KW, Branch and of course Kiko can clog up the middle and force Smith to throw. Byrd and Gilmore have been hurt most of this season. They would at least appear to be at or near full strength. I think that this is a perfect chance for them to take over the game. And they don't need pick sixes to make me happy. Good coverage and a pick or 2 between them could make the difference between winning and losing. Holding the Chiefs to 3 and outs and giving the Bills field position at home would be just what the doctor ordered. This team has invested a ton of resources in these two players. One was a #10 in the draft, the other an early second round pick who was given the franchise tag. I wish they would step up today and win us a home football game. Here's to keeping our fingers crossed! GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's hard to fault fans for wanting a quarterback. And judging a quarterbacks career by 12 passes is a bit of a reach .

Very true. The rule changes this season have decreased the value of running backs even more. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that now they are banned from leading with their helmets. Earl Campbell and John Riggins would not be too pleased. They would absolutely punish tacklers. In this sense, one could make a case that Spiller does fit this modern game, and he is very good. Imo, the question is (and always was) whether or not he can be an every down back, or is he more of a situational player? Either way, it will be interesting to see what the front office does if or when he hits free agency. They wouldn't pay Levitre, who never missed a game. How much will they offer Spiller?

I thought so too. I am not at all worried about Woods. In fact, he looked frustrated on a play or 2. He is going to be an important part of the foundation of this football team. Goodwin was very impressive. On one particular catch he looked like he had soft hands. If this is the case, he has the potential to be a star. The Bills have talent. I am sure of this. A draft as good as 2013 would be a lot to expect, but if they can even approach it, they will be contenders IF EJ develops into a good quarterback. He doesn't have to be great. Dalton isn't. Just imagine this roster with another pass rushing DE, some help at Guard, another linebacker, and most of all a better than average quarterback! We might not be that far away. I just hope that Pettine stays around for a while.

The score didn't reflect the game imo. I assume that Hughes chasing a wideout was breakdown. Things like this happen. Aside from that, I thought that the coverage was decent. The fact is that Brees was on fire. He felt some pressure and again, the coverage wasn't SO bad. Put Brees on the Bills and they are as good as the Saints, or at least close to it.

No, as a matter of fact I had nothing but praise for Kyle Williams. Did you notice that they rotated Branch at DT and spelled Dareus? The three of them are a great rotation. We could use another DE who can rush the passer.

I tried to save them, but they are in cyberspace, and I don't have time to re-write them. But I will say this..... 1) I blasted Marrone last week, and I won't back down. I don't mind consensus disagreement, nor even personal insults lol. I think that he needs work on challenges and especially clock management. That said, this team fights back. I didn't notice one player quitting. The truth is that I am, and will be a Bills Fan under any and all conditions. But if I am going to blast him, I want to also credit him big time about the players not letting up. 2) Thad Lewis was exposed today. He was hurt, under some pressure, and he is inexperienced. But, he lacks touch. Again, I hope that they utilize his ability to run. There now seems to be very little to lose. 3) Go Bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!