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I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that brilliant observation.

That and your avatar pretty much says it all.

Yep, I do know you don't think highly of JP and that is fine - it is your opinion. I have not had the luxury of watching any game here in Bear country so can't give an honest opinion. But, you and I both agree that the coaches need to make up their mind. Isn't this what leadership is all about ? Advances are made by making bold decisions. But waffling sickens me.

We followed the same logic last year of sticking with DB until the season was officially out of hand. JP getting injured kind of helped the decision making I know. But it came down to the last game and in today's parity world, I don't think any team's season is officially sunk by the 10th game. So, what's my point ? Simply this - that the coaches have to make one decision and have the ba11s to stick to it. Keeping JP in there yesterday would have helped prepare him for comebacks in the future. Maybe he could have pulled it off ala Brunell against the Redskins a few weeks back. But, by yanking him twice now, he will forever be looking over his shoulder. A situation which we all painfully remember from the Flutie-RJ days. I was frankly disgusted when he was pulled yesterday because this jerking around serves no purpose. After the game, MM says JP is still the starter. WTF is going on ? A rotation at the QB position ? As a true, loyal and gullible fan, I will support whatever decision the coaches make but let it be just that - one decision for the entire season.

You are correct (as usual in this topic's debate). Problem is that on this board we continue to argue about what could have and would have been. Only time will tell what the correct decision was this past offseason. I thought the decision to get rid of DB and get a better prospect was the correct one keeping in mind the long term goal of winning the big one. Whether the decision to go with JP was consistent with this goal, only time will tell. Meanwhile, we will continue this fruitless debate that on this board (including me !!)

If we are a good defense, we shouldn't really have to worry about any one particular player. You know how far we have fallen when analysis and fan posts continually start pointing to this aspect (and this is not directed at you personally).

Aptly stated.

I question that statement. As of now, the talent is not producing on D. So what exactly is this talent that he speaks of which is so undermined just by JP ? I do agree somewhat that JP is not ready but as others on this board have said a million times till now, he never will be if KH starts.

Sounds good. Thanx !

Is this guy any good? I looked up his stats but I know they do not convey much. How would a trade sending Josh Reed over there sound ? I know this board will go ballistic on that idea but considering we are getting Parrish (unproven) back, SF does not have much of a receiving corps and that we really need some LB depth, this may not be too far fetched.

Will I enjoy the movie if I know nothing about the TV series ?

And that is assuming he does not read posts on this board. Nice catch though that these were preseason comments.

He asked a direct question and my answer is that Bills fans will not admit if DB was or was not the biggest problem until he wins a SB for Dallas. No maturity needed to give a direct answer.

After DB wins a superbowl for Dallas. Sound good ?

At the pump.

Tax breaks are okay to get a technology off the ground but not a very efficient use of money in the long run. After all the tax money is coming from the end user !

Au contraire, marginal cost of taking out 1 ppm of sulfur increases dramatically the lower the end spec. It was okay until 500 ppm diesel but getting it to 50 ppm and lower is much much harder. Add to this another complexity - this product has to be sent through existing pipelines which have been used for high sulfur stuff for decades. These products pick up sulfur along the way and what started off as 50 ppm at the refinery can be well above that level at the back end. So to compensate, either build new pristine pipes (expensive), clean up the existing pipes (too much opportunity cost of an idles pipeline) or produce lower than required spec product (see first sentence).

Whoa Nelly ! As CTM said, the fuel efficiency craze was a result of very high gas prices (higher than today in real dollars). I kind of agree that mandating a certain average fleet spec for mpg may help but that only drives companies to change the balance between SUVs and hybrids for example. This issue is very complex and I am not sure anyone has done a full study yet. But think about it this way, not knowing the number of miles driven by vehicle class, there is no sure way of reducing gasoline consumption by mandating a fleet mpg spec. If Toyota produces one hybrid Prius with mpg =60 and one highlander with mpg =20,they get an average fleet mpg of 40. But if the Highlander is driven for 100 miles a day and the Prius only 10, real weighted mpg = 21.3 What have we achieved ? I agree with emission specs which happen primarily due to govt. mandates so no arguments there. Lower octane ? What are you talking about ? When lead was taken out, the refining industry had to re-adjust their production to get equivalent octane without TEL (tetra ethyl lead ?). Also car manufacturers changed their compression ratios to make cars efficient without lead (good anti-knock properties). But this was also an emissions play and not a mpg play. Even today, fuel specifications are getting more stringent with diesel trending to 50 ppm sulfur and gasoline that may end up with 10 ppm sulfur but this is what refineries have to do to make these ultra low polluting fuels. This has nothing to do with conserving fuel, which will continue to be driven by the overall state of the economy and the supply-demand balance of oil-derived products.

So you think it is possible for the car makers to make Humvees, Ford Explorers, Toyota Landcruisers to give 35+ mpg, if the adminstration told them to ?

Muuuauuuuuuuuuuaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaa hhhhaaaaaaa Maybe he is still listening to tapes of statements by members of our stellar defensive unit from Sept. 12th.

You would have to set up a financial model for the revenues, costs, profits etc. and see how that would change based on the team's performance. Contrary to popular opinion here, I think the stock would be fairly healthy now because the value of a stock is based on the discounted cash flow from future operations. So if the potential to do well in the future exists, the stock should do very well. If we were on a downturn or had way too many question marks regarding personnel and coaching, the stock would be discounted. But I think it will take somebody who does finance for a living (not me) to set this model up and then it would be re-calculated every day. Example, if TKO gets injured the stock takes a small hit based on how serious that injury is and how the teams fortunes would change based on the level of severity.

It would be a fair comparison if JP had started last year (for a full year). Can you imagine what this board would have been like if JP was the starter last year and DB backing him up ? {uncontrollable scary shivering smiley}

But then again .. maybe it will work.

I agree with (1). We tried to rationalize his departure but it is hurting us more than we bargained for. I am guessing PW isn't helping Minn much which means both teams ended up poorer. Don't agree with (2). I think JP will be fine once he finds his bearings like Carson Palmer (as others have already pointed out). I never expected him to have a Ben R season especially with this OL I would add that our OL is also changed from last year and needs time to gel. I think Duke will be starting pretty soon, probably at Center. We just need to finish the first half at 4-4.

Isn't that the truth ? He was supposed not to gift games away which he is doing (1 INT, don't mention the 'almost interceptions). D was supposed to bail him out and score with some turnovers which they are not doing. ST was supposed to help the D which is not happening. Yes they are competent, RL has kicked better but no punt/kickoff returns for TDs, no consistent punting. IN summary, we expected him to struggle and the other facets were supposed to cover for that.