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It’s a damn shame when a guy excoriates a political opponent for risking the safety and security of the free world and then gets questioned for 13+ year pattern of treating classified material like an old Kit Kat wrapper on the floor of his corvette. Obviously he’s cooperating by breaking the law, jeesh. A damn, damn shame.

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What am I talking about? I’m talking about Joe Biden, your comments generally on issues involving politicians taking classified material, and the situation that’s unfolding. You seem hyper fixated on Trump, and I believe I know why, but don’t believe you see it. Btw, with reports that he’s apparently held classified documents since he was a Senator, the most likely scenario is he has engaged in a pattern of breaking the law over at least the last couple decades. We keep flipping the coin—maybe it was staffers, maybe it was his attorney, maybe it was the UPS guy—but when that coin lands, it still reveals the face of Joe Biden. How many time does he tell you “It wasn’t me!” before you see the pattern?

Nah, I am not misconstruing anything. You’re a loyalist, even as the additional documents are discovered, even as Biden and his team failed to provide an accurate accounting of what he had in his possession and from whence it came, even as we discover he’s possessed documents from decades back. He’s apparently entered into the ratified air where folks during his senate run were in on it, too. Decades of time in the game but no accountability. Just read “spillage” from your last comment. You’ve gone from being pretty certain polis don’t have an issue with taking top secret material to adopting the most recent buzzword to describe polis doing just that. 🤣

I feel like lately, I’ve been smoking your arguments that major political players were unlikely to have these types of documents in their possession, and that Biden by refusing to comply with laws since the time he was vice president oops senator was fully cooperating with the DOJ.

The most simple explanation is that since it was already established and acknowledged that ahe was extremely reckless and careless in handling the data, common sense suggests at a minimum the DOJ should have been concerned that she would be extremely reckless and careless when authorized to self-censor. With the Biden scandal widening, and an additional trove of documents being found after he supposedly cleaned everything up, it is fair to ask whether this sort of thing is a big deal or not. From my perspective, the DOJ is suggesting it’s only a big deal when they decide to make it a big deal.

I have to take my share of the blame for this. When Red got all misty about Dean, it reminded me of the Dean Death Scream. I thought we would laugh about it and move on, but as he spun media conspiracy tales and spoke of elitist political power brokers, I couldn’t turn away. You really only have to peel back a layer or two before all the conspiracy talk is ok and there are hobos on grassy knolls. I’m committed to moving forward from here. Rest in peace, Howard Dean Presidential Aspirations 2004. Back to the thread, seems that the DOJ trusting an irresponsible, defiant and reckless guardian of top secret intel was pretty naive. Imagine what they would have found spending time independently reviewing H Clinton’s situation.

Red lamented the treatment Crazy Train Dean received from the media and whomever. The reality is he blew up his own campaign and lacked the intestinal fortitude/character to get back in the game. When comparing his tepid and impotent campaign and brand management to that of Donald Trump, one kicked establishment politics in the nuts and powered through media manipulation 1000x what Dean faced, the other moves to the scrap heap of history. These are facts, sir.

Eeeeaaayah! 😂 No bigs, have a good night.

Well, at the risk of derailing this topic even further, put your political animus on hold for 30 seconds. What Donald Trump accomplished was unprecedented in American politics. He was the butt of jokes and commentary throughout his campaign, and was subject to breathless reporting about ties to Russia, hookers and international espionage. He was up against the R establishment and the Bush dynasty, and when he dispatched them, he took on the hand-selected successor of a popular president and his anointed heir-apparent. He beat her and just about broke her emotionally in the process. If Howard Dean had 10% of the situational awareness, brand management and ‘F off, I’m pushing forward” skills of DJT, we might be having a different conversation today.

You’re on a 45 minute bender about a guy who’s presidential aspirations ended nearly 20 years ago, and don’t know what I’m about? I understand you thought he was the real deal and that others couldn’t see his brilliance for what it was. I’ll end where I started—it’s a funny clip, and for my money, one of the funniest. That’s pretty much it with regard to Howard Dean.

One could say the same about Houch Dean, it would seem. His tens and tens of post-primal-scream admirers weren’t enough to carry the day. It happens, Red, and revisiting is doesn’t help anyone. Well, it helps me because that clip is priceless.

Serial killers, too, maybe. All I can tell you is other real people with real convictions and emotions disagreed with you in a really massive way. His collapse was cataclysmic and nearly instantaneous.

He sounded like he was about to bludgeon a kitten with a hockey stick. The person responsible for the implosion of Howard Dean was Howard Dean. As a fan, what exactly was that sound he made? It was like “EEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”. It’s not a sound you hear in nature.

People are worried about finding top secret information with Joe Biden. With Howard Dean, the concern was body parts buried under the new concrete pad in the backyard. Thank you though for reminding me of this clip, probably the funniest minute in American political history. My absolute favorite is around 38 seconds, after the blood curdling scream, he laughs and looks around as if to say “I &*$&ing nailed that!”.

I believe, as Chi does, in applying Occum’s Razor here: That Biden was willing to break the law back to his days in the Senate, and that he obviously wasn't truthful on what was at his home is actually irrefutable proof of his innocence, lack of intent, and general trustworthiness. It’s actually the people who don’t take the documents over a decade or more and tell the truth about their actions that you have to worry about.

Yeah, Chi’s post was silly. Some people demonize others for their political beliefs, it goes across the spectrum, and it’s nothing new.

I'd think that would lead to a murder charge, pointing a gun at an individual, knowing it had a live round and pulling the trigger. The problem with him being more than a bit crazy over the past couple decades is that it's not really all that far-fetched.

Sure, me too, that’s why I followed guidelines. In fact, that’s what made the democrat positioning so g-d perplexing. While infectious disease specialists and epidemiologists were screaming to stay at home, shelter in place and mind the greater good…they were encouraging mass gatherings and ignoring the rules. They quote literally spread vax misinformation offers by the specialists you referenced. Once elected and in control, they dropped COVID off the federal map in about 6 months, just about as Trump predicted. The Dems were directly responsible for spread, infection and dying on a massive scale.

I find this take interesting. On the one hand we have Trump dealing with a crisis, working with private industry/government to develop a solution to an evolving problem. We have most states completely unprepared to deal with this particular type of problem, though it was predictable long before it commenced. Trump brings together the public/private sector, eliminates the roadblocks and hurdles that are in the way, routinely holds press conferences to update citizens and knock down confusion, and ultimately delivers the vaccines we had been told just a few months earlier would likely save the world. On the other hand, social-justice minded democrats are routinely found violating the protocols they’ve established, encouraging (or refusing to discourage) mass gatherings that contribute directly to the virus spreading like wildfire, and said gatherings often resulting in the virus returning to what were declared to be high risk neighborhoods. Ultimately, Kamala Harris spreads vax misinformation, leading to even more confusion amongst people at greatest risk, and shortly after taking office, Biden boots COVID management from his desk back to the states. Meanwhile, the “VAX VAX BOOST to save your fellow man!” mantra gets reimagined and the narrative changes to focusing on people who have received at least one shot. Finally, we see an increase in year over year COVID death counts on a Biden watch in spite of him walking in after virtually all of the solutions were addressed. Give me the crazy bankrupt guy who solves problems over the career bureaucrat who knows the best thing to do is make it someone else’s problem.

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I recall that he was a complicated guy, prickly, adversarial etc. Reading about him today, he talked about his frustration that he lost 10 years or so along the way due to drugs etc, and that at one point he said not one person he made music with liked him. Great musician, lucky af to get the liver transplant when he did….and probably time to listen to some music I haven’t heard before.

This is a tough situation. I think AB is a bit of a lunatic, and really had no issues with attempts to railroad Trump. It seemed in addition that he was eventually going to end up in jail due to his rage issues. This case was tragic. Never should have happened, a wife and mother killed senselessly, and Baldwin in trouble. As much a dbag as he can be, what a sad turn his life took when he ran that production. It sounded like a complete sh$T show from a process standpoint. That said, as we see here, no one is above the law (other than those that clearly are). Manslaughter seems like the right charge, and letting everyone off the hook would seem to be a miscarriage of justice. As he begins the process of defending himself, one has to wonder if he was open and honest (there are allegations he was not), whether he cooperated fully or used his counsel to shield him from exposure, and recognize the old standard that if he has nothing to hide, he’ll be fine. It’s sort of bizzarely Trumpian, really, though on his case someone died.

Geography matters, too. I’m torn between pity for an aging man who after a full, exciting and occasionally tragic life simply lost track of where/when/how his son died, and thinking it would be just like Joe Biden to embellish a tragic story of personal loss for political purposes. https://nypost.com/2022/10/13/biden-wrongly-says-late-son-beau-lost-his-life-in-iraq/ “American soldiers of the 10th Mountain Division scaled that 1,800-foot cliff at night, caught the Germans by surprise, captured key positions, and broke through the German defense line at a pivotal point in the war,” the president said. “Just imagine — I mean it sincerely — I say this as a father of a man who won the Bronze Star, the Conspicuous Service Medal, and lost his life in Iraq. Imagine the courage, the daring, and the genuine sacrifice — genuine sacrifice they all made.”

Ever seen a blind man cross the road Trying to make the other side? Ever seen a young girl growing old Trying to make herself a bride? So what becomes of you my love When they have finally stripped you of The handbags and the glad rags That your granddad had to sweat to buy you Baby Once I was a young man And all I thought I had to do was smile You are still a young girl And you bought everything in style Listen But once you think you're in, you're out 'Cause you don't mean a single thing without The handbags and the glad rags That your granddad had to sweat so you could buy Ooh