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Thank you, your objectivity and thoughtful reply was exactly what we needed to hear at this time. For the record, those who compare you to BillSy are silly. In this case, I quite literally asked @BillStime for his thoughts. I see three reasonable answers: 1. I offer no opinion, submitted for discussion only; 2. I believe the author is onto something here; 3. I thought it was kind of funny in a crazy conspiracy way; You are correct in the assessment that I had a pretty good inkling that BillSy would chucklef&ck around, send a meme, send a Trump photo etc. In that regard, it’s on me for trying. I also know that means that the scope of the inquiry or subject is beyond his ability to converse on, or he knew he pitched garbage on the board and was called out on it. Both are sad. Thank you again for offering a little sanity here today.

Thank you for clarifying. Do you have an opinion on the article BillSy linked, suggesting the Trump team cuckholded Comey and the FBI and in doing so, illegitimately seized the election in “plain sight”?

@B-Man I’m looking for some quick feedback from a reliable source. Upthread, BillSy posted a link to a story that suggests that the FBI was co-opted by the Trump team, that the recently arrested FBI agent was somehow in cahoots with the Russians and Trump to overthrow or “steal” if you will, the 2016 election. I think the story is rubbish for reasons outlined above. I asked BillSy to share his thoughts on the article, pro, con, whatever. I only asked him because he posted it, and figured it was something worth discussing. He replied with something about Hillary Clinton going to jail, and about someone named Powell, who I assume is Colin Powell. When I inquired a second time, he indicated my question about the post he shared lacked clarity. As an objective poster with no skin in the game, can you share your thoughts with me on the following: 1. Do you feel my initial query was confusing, at least to the levels it would trip up a person of average intellect? 2. Do you feel that I inadvertently requested Billsy to offer an opinion on Hillary Clinton going to jail, or on Colin Powell in general? Worse yet, did I somehow trick BillSy into offering an opinion on Mssrs. Powell and Clinton? Thank you. I was going to ask @Irv but he’s ever a mod I don’t want any appearance of impropriety.

So, you’re a supporter of the BillSy published Huff Po theory as outline in the link? Trump co-opted Comey, etc etc?

You’re losing track of your commentary, Powell wasn’t mentioned in the article you shared. What are your thoughts about the opinion piece you shared originally?

I’m about to have a bagel and nice hot cup of coffee. What we learn from this story is that people are corruptible, that money can make people do things they never would consider doing in the absence of the money, and that power corrupts. I learned that in elementary school. I couldn’t be less fake selectively outraged if I fake tried. You sent the tweet over, presumably for consideration and to add value to the dialogue. Maybe you agree with it, maybe you don’t. I just pointed out that the premise makes very little sense given what is widely known. What are your thoughts on the author’s thoughts?

This is an interesting spin. Clinton violated the law with respect to safeguarding top secret/confidential material, to the extent that her biggest supporters described her as extremely reckless. The DOJ allows her to scour tens of thousands of emails, make a subjective determination oh what should/should not be there and delete whatever she wanted to delete. The Director of the FBI, with the benefit of hindsight clearly and unabashedly working to scuttle the Trump agenda and targeting individuals in the admin, acknowledges the illegal and reckless behavior but declares no prosecutor would pursue the case. The election comes and Clinton wins prom Queen pop vote, but gets steamrolled where it matters. She and her supporters cry foul, suggest Trump stole the election, and the Mueller probe commences. Mueller launches an all-out scorched earth search for Russian collusion. Doors are kicked in. Non-related crimes are pursued. Selective leaking occurs to tilt public opinion. The media engages in circular reporting. The probe ends with a dull thud, lots of hurt feelings and complaints he didn’t bow down and submit . Meanwhile, the Clinton campaign was promoting stories that spread misinformation, conspiring with a disgraced foreign national to mislead the voter, and that’s treated as business as usual in American politics. The people listened, considered and voted. Turns out the Mueller team completely missed this gem of a human selling out, and FBI leadership under Comey and Wray missed the snake in the grass in their house, and this supposedly reflects the gold standard for leadership in Washington. That’s a whopper of a tale for sure.

It’s a damn shame when a guy excoriates a political opponent for risking the safety and security of the free world and then gets questioned for 13+ year pattern of treating classified material like an old Kit Kat wrapper on the floor of his corvette. Obviously he’s cooperating by breaking the law, jeesh. A damn, damn shame.

It’s true then. Beer flows. Men chunder.

What am I talking about? I’m talking about Joe Biden, your comments generally on issues involving politicians taking classified material, and the situation that’s unfolding. You seem hyper fixated on Trump, and I believe I know why, but don’t believe you see it. Btw, with reports that he’s apparently held classified documents since he was a Senator, the most likely scenario is he has engaged in a pattern of breaking the law over at least the last couple decades. We keep flipping the coin—maybe it was staffers, maybe it was his attorney, maybe it was the UPS guy—but when that coin lands, it still reveals the face of Joe Biden. How many time does he tell you “It wasn’t me!” before you see the pattern?

Nah, I am not misconstruing anything. You’re a loyalist, even as the additional documents are discovered, even as Biden and his team failed to provide an accurate accounting of what he had in his possession and from whence it came, even as we discover he’s possessed documents from decades back. He’s apparently entered into the ratified air where folks during his senate run were in on it, too. Decades of time in the game but no accountability. Just read “spillage” from your last comment. You’ve gone from being pretty certain polis don’t have an issue with taking top secret material to adopting the most recent buzzword to describe polis doing just that. 🤣

I feel like lately, I’ve been smoking your arguments that major political players were unlikely to have these types of documents in their possession, and that Biden by refusing to comply with laws since the time he was vice president oops senator was fully cooperating with the DOJ.

The most simple explanation is that since it was already established and acknowledged that ahe was extremely reckless and careless in handling the data, common sense suggests at a minimum the DOJ should have been concerned that she would be extremely reckless and careless when authorized to self-censor. With the Biden scandal widening, and an additional trove of documents being found after he supposedly cleaned everything up, it is fair to ask whether this sort of thing is a big deal or not. From my perspective, the DOJ is suggesting it’s only a big deal when they decide to make it a big deal.

I have to take my share of the blame for this. When Red got all misty about Dean, it reminded me of the Dean Death Scream. I thought we would laugh about it and move on, but as he spun media conspiracy tales and spoke of elitist political power brokers, I couldn’t turn away. You really only have to peel back a layer or two before all the conspiracy talk is ok and there are hobos on grassy knolls. I’m committed to moving forward from here. Rest in peace, Howard Dean Presidential Aspirations 2004. Back to the thread, seems that the DOJ trusting an irresponsible, defiant and reckless guardian of top secret intel was pretty naive. Imagine what they would have found spending time independently reviewing H Clinton’s situation.

Red lamented the treatment Crazy Train Dean received from the media and whomever. The reality is he blew up his own campaign and lacked the intestinal fortitude/character to get back in the game. When comparing his tepid and impotent campaign and brand management to that of Donald Trump, one kicked establishment politics in the nuts and powered through media manipulation 1000x what Dean faced, the other moves to the scrap heap of history. These are facts, sir.

Eeeeaaayah! 😂 No bigs, have a good night.

Well, at the risk of derailing this topic even further, put your political animus on hold for 30 seconds. What Donald Trump accomplished was unprecedented in American politics. He was the butt of jokes and commentary throughout his campaign, and was subject to breathless reporting about ties to Russia, hookers and international espionage. He was up against the R establishment and the Bush dynasty, and when he dispatched them, he took on the hand-selected successor of a popular president and his anointed heir-apparent. He beat her and just about broke her emotionally in the process. If Howard Dean had 10% of the situational awareness, brand management and ‘F off, I’m pushing forward” skills of DJT, we might be having a different conversation today.

You’re on a 45 minute bender about a guy who’s presidential aspirations ended nearly 20 years ago, and don’t know what I’m about? I understand you thought he was the real deal and that others couldn’t see his brilliance for what it was. I’ll end where I started—it’s a funny clip, and for my money, one of the funniest. That’s pretty much it with regard to Howard Dean.

One could say the same about Houch Dean, it would seem. His tens and tens of post-primal-scream admirers weren’t enough to carry the day. It happens, Red, and revisiting is doesn’t help anyone. Well, it helps me because that clip is priceless.

Serial killers, too, maybe. All I can tell you is other real people with real convictions and emotions disagreed with you in a really massive way. His collapse was cataclysmic and nearly instantaneous.

He sounded like he was about to bludgeon a kitten with a hockey stick. The person responsible for the implosion of Howard Dean was Howard Dean. As a fan, what exactly was that sound he made? It was like “EEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH”. It’s not a sound you hear in nature.

People are worried about finding top secret information with Joe Biden. With Howard Dean, the concern was body parts buried under the new concrete pad in the backyard. Thank you though for reminding me of this clip, probably the funniest minute in American political history. My absolute favorite is around 38 seconds, after the blood curdling scream, he laughs and looks around as if to say “I &*$&ing nailed that!”.

I believe, as Chi does, in applying Occum’s Razor here: That Biden was willing to break the law back to his days in the Senate, and that he obviously wasn't truthful on what was at his home is actually irrefutable proof of his innocence, lack of intent, and general trustworthiness. It’s actually the people who don’t take the documents over a decade or more and tell the truth about their actions that you have to worry about.

Yeah, Chi’s post was silly. Some people demonize others for their political beliefs, it goes across the spectrum, and it’s nothing new.

I'd think that would lead to a murder charge, pointing a gun at an individual, knowing it had a live round and pulling the trigger. The problem with him being more than a bit crazy over the past couple decades is that it's not really all that far-fetched.