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The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
And when the president himself disrespects the office . . . ? -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Yeah, the way it works is that, at least in NYS, polls that are published have to be filed with the Board of Elections so that the questions underlying the poll become public knowledge. The push poll asks a series of sort of leading, or push, questions, to drive the voter to a given candidate. The candidate then publishes the poll, tries to get a nice headline, e.g., "Lynn Dixon within five points of Mark Poloncarz," and files the poll as late as allowed by law so that the headline comes before the analysis of the questions giving rise to the result. Silver looks at polling data and trends and tries to figure out where the electorate is. He's more of a mathematician than anything. And he's pretty good, although he missed on 2016 in a big, bad way. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Another reminder of why you're on the washed up psycho list. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Fake news. I have a two-year-old. We are vastly different. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Some have agendas; they run what's called push polls to try to push a voter to a given candidate based on the questions that are asked. Frequently the underdog tries to run a push poll to drum up some good numbers. Silver (who is an analyst, not a pollster) isn't in that category. His game is to be right. That's where he makes his money. I can't imagine he would have had an agenda in his work in 2016. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
No. It would be an incredible feat to be able to read and type at age two. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
That is an excellent list idea. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
You make a fair point about Silver's miss not being excused by the fact that basically everyone else missed, too. Completely agree. I suspect that 2016 was a tough year for pollsters because there was a lot more ditching of landlines by then than there was in 2012 and it might have been tougher to accurately sample. But you're completely right; just because everyone else made a mistake doesn't mean that Silver's mistake is excused. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Comments like this will not get you removed from the "snowflake" and "washed up psycho" lists. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Fake news. There was no diatribe. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Hoax. This is why you're on the hoax list. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
Misleading. When asked about the reopening plan the day before, Trump deferred to the Georgia governor and did not demand compliance with federal guidelines for reopening. -
The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19
SectionC3 replied to Hedge's topic in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-reverses-course-says-too-soon-georgia-reopen-n1190061 What's the out here? Trump wasn't familiar with his own administration's guidelines? -
Based on some of your comments here, I don't care to know you. I enjoy disagreement. I like the give and take. It makes us all better and more thoughtful. It's healthy for our society and for our country. That's how America is supposed to work. I'll go back and forth with Chef Jim all day. I might disagree with him, but he's generally pretty thoughtful and respectful. And I respect that. (SoCalDeek probably falls in the same category; we see the world differently, but that's perfectly fine. I enjoy the reasoned back and forth.) I don't respect your approach here. It's wrong. You know it and I know it.
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If I called COVID the "Congo Cough" or the "Box Street Bug," everybody in Buffalo would know what I'm saying. The same principles apply to the Confederate flag. It's a nice story that it stands for states rights, and maybe in 1861 it did. But it doesn't today. And anyone who flies one or sees one knows it. Applying that logic here, while "Chinese" may not be a race, you're using the term in phrase in a way to communicate racism. Semantical gymnastics don't hide that.
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I agree that he was clueless. And that's kind of the point. Based on all of the available information, including a memo by Peter Navarro, he shouldn't have been so ill-informed. There's a difference between not having complete information (probably where all of us are still today) and ignoring the sufficient information available for our review (one of Trump's missteps here). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/07/timeline-trumps-coronavirus-response-is-increasingly-damning/
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I don't acknowledge that the WHO lied for the Chinese. I do, however, note that the prez made the statement in question four to five weeks after the WHO noted evidence of human-to-human transmission. https://www.who.int/china/news/detail/22-01-2020-field-visit-wuhan-china-jan-2020 https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-conference/ Points like the one you just tried to make are why you're on the "fake news" and "hoax" lists.