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Phone in the right hand, what appeared to be a police helmet in the left hand. I rewatched after your post and I didn't see anything that indicated an "reach" toward an officer's service weapon. That said, I appreciate that I watched it from a distance and that there is a remote possibility that the officer in question might have seen the movement only out of the corner of his eye and reacted accordingly. Also, I'm not concerned about not putting the flex cuffs on the guy. The point is that if he actually presented a threat to officer safety you'd think the police would have neutralized that threat instead of stepping past him. That part doesn't wash with me.

Twitter will say another clue in the mystery of why Rand Paul's neighbor kicked the crap out of him.

If the fetus was born alive, the fetus would become a "person" and that would "count" as the death of "person" under the eyes of the law. If not, then that instance of gun violence would not have killed a "person" as the term is established in the law.

They didn't know he was unconscious immediately. If he was such a threat, he should have been zip tied. For what it's worth, it looks like he was trying to return a helmet to the BPD.

Marty Lyons retired a long time ago! The medics got there pretty quickly. I don’t blame them for not breaking the line to treat. But if he was an aggressor they should have neutralized him with cuffs or restraint. Not a good look for the BPD.

And that is the point. It is an inconvenient truth.

Problem is that the use of force has to be justified. I just don’t see it there. If the guy was threatening officers he should have been dealt with immediately after he fell to resolve the threat.

He’s a public employee engaged in alleged public misconduct so the name is coming out. As for his fascism, I haven’t dealt with the guy in probably 15 years, but he is absolutely not what I would call any kind of extremist. When I knew him he was a very, very good person. I have no reason to believe that to be untrue today.

I think they were states, but point is you’re right about prompt medical attention.

The last paragraph is victim blaming. Sorry but it is. The citizen probably shouldn’t have been there, but that doesn’t justify what happened. (Audio may tell a different tale, but I highly doubt it since the citizen was left in place after falling. A threat would have been neutralized there.)

Agree to disagree. We’re arguing semantics. It was an application of force.

Aaron’s a pretty strong guy and he gave it to the citizen pretty well from what I saw.

It got there pretty quickly thereafter. That part looked worse than it actually was. Just no need to hit the guy whatsoever. That was not protect and serve.

Eggshell skull rule. You’re right.

It was unnecessary. Totally out of character for that cop. I couldn’t believe it when I saw the name plate. He’s probably going to get fired, and that’s too bad. But he did not have to hit the guy. At all.

No. It also doesn’t mean Trumpian fascists. Somewhere in between.

Whatevs. Tonight it’s lies about your piety. Tomorrow you’ll be back to lies about election fraud. Round and round it goes.

You first.

I was there tonight. It was a bad brew on both sides. Camo officers staged out of sight behind the city court building about three hours before that happened. Protestors were an eclectic bunch. Cops I talked to seemed pissed off to be there. It was easy to tell something unfortunate would happen.

Simon Peter was taught to put down the sword, right? You’re such a phony. Only a pic with the iPhone in his right hand.

And you don’t understand the Bible. Tit for tat. You’re testing my patience tonight, big fella.

I like the guy, but if I was the mayor I’d fire him tonight. It was inexcusable.

Section 8. Mock the poor. Nice work, fake Christian. He can renounce those unchristian things. He hasn’t. And he still supports trump. Draw your own conclusions.

He fired the guy after he quit. That’s where you’re at. Wow.

Only you are debating the merits. I’m simply pointing out ghat guns kill more people than does abortion. It’s an inconvenient truth for the rule of law crowd.