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He fired the guy after he quit. That’s where you’re at. Wow.

Only you are debating the merits. I’m simply pointing out ghat guns kill more people than does abortion. It’s an inconvenient truth for the rule of law crowd.

He supports Trump. Trump supports those things. Ergo he supports those things. You can be a Trumper. And you can also be a Christian. But you can’t be both.

I know the officer. Or at least I did growing up. That behavior is out of character for the the guy I knew. But the video is horrible and there’s no excuse for pushing an old man like that. The police severely outmanned that rag tag group, and there was no need for gratuitous violence. It’s an awful video.

It’s one of three factors that I noted. We have fake Christian B-Man talking about his piety out of one side of his mouth and supporting unchristian things such as separation of migrant families, the gassing of protestors, and the castigation of minority groups out of the other. It’s pathetic and he and others who engage in this double talk nonsense should be ashamed of themselves. It’s disgraceful.

Me too. But a fetus isn’t an infant. And it’s also not a person. So what about my point that gun violence kills more people than abortion? The truth is inconvenient for you on that one, sir.

By the same logic Jesus still is a poor brown migrant. You’re cool with the mistreatment of such people. Which means you’re cool with the mistreatment of those who are like Jesus.

Last I checked Jesus was a socialist. You seem to shun those politics and instead support a president who, among other things, caters to the rich, gasses his own people when they impede a photo op, visits church less than irregularly, and separates migrant children down their parents. Do you worry that St. Peter will view your hypocrisy with disapproval when you reach the pearly gates of heaven?

Bottom line: you’re one of those rule of law guys, until the law is inconvenient. Got it.

Let me get this straight. The refined political nose of Buffalo Timmy, cognizant of the competing and largely unchecked crises in this country, believes that Trump, who lost the popular election in 2016, nit only will win the popular vote in 2020 but will take more than 50% of that vote. You have consumed way too much trump kool aid, sir.

Or the piece wasn’t vetted properly and contained at least one BS alt-right talking point. Either one.

Sooo ... why not recommend zinc and broccoli instead of zinc and HCQ. Broccoli might cause indigestion, but it’s no threat to create an arrhythmia, right?

My personal beliefs have nothing to do with this. We’re a nation of laws. And the law says that a fetus has to be born alive to become a person. Fortunately for all of us the law is not a matter of convenience.

It’s a matter of perspective. Tre probably looks at it like he and Jamal are on the same team, and that Jake has outed himself as the opposition. I have no issue whatsoever with what Tre did.

Yeah if he makes it to preseason and is protected by dudes whose roster spots are safe he should expect a little bit of education from the opposing d-line.

Unless you speak for the locker room the matter remains open for the third-string quarterback.

Kaepernick was treated horribly in Buffalo the last time he played here. We don’t have a very forward-thinking fan base, that’s for sure. But, we also accepted Shady after his behavior during the national anthem, so ultimately I think White will be OK. (For what it’s worth, I’m completely fine with what Kaepernick did, and although I completely agree with Shady’s political and cultural position I don’t think he handled his expression very well.)

I just read what Leslie Frazier said about the incident, and I thought Fromm might be OK. Now it seems like the All-Pro corner, who is well liked in the locker room, has a big issue with the kid. Not good for Jake.

I’m not sure how much the apology helps him. As noted, if his comments were solely based on class, why add the “white” qualifier? And if there was something in the conversation not apparent from screenshots (e.g., sarcasm or an ill-advised attempt at humor), we probably would have learned of it in the apology. I read the apology as ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the question of racial undertones. He tried to sidestep the issue, and I wonder how helpful his apology will be.

Yeah I’m with you. Maybe they can suspend him or keep him out of team activities and try to let it cool down. But it’s a tough spot for him, his teammates, and the team.

A good point. Context is important. The first blush doesn’t work out well for Fromm here. Maybe, as you have suggested, there is more to the story.

To a point, yes. Maybe professional life or political life would have been better put on my end. Of course, if Franken defined his life by his Senate seat, then the broader statement would have been fair. The same logic might apply to Fromm. The kid’s life won’t be ruined if he gets fired. But his professional football career might be over before it started.

Capitalism doesn’t much care about morality. If Jake’s comments are bad for business then he will be a former employee.

EDIT: This responds to Doc’s post with respect to the possible constructions of Fromm’s text. *** Disagree. He didn’t intend the first for obvious reasons of construction. (In that event he would have said simply all whites.) He may have meant something closer to the latter, which absolutely is classist. The racial undertones appear through the use of the qualifier “white” in that context. If there were no racial undertones to the comment, then there would have been no need for that qualifier. The reference to “elites” would have sufficed as an expression of classism. So he’s left with a statement that appears to be both classist and potentially racist. Jake has some explaining to do to that locker room.

I don’t think cancel culture pertains only to choice of words, but Al Franken leaps to mind as someone who got the bum’s rush over one stupid moment in his life.