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Maybe, or maybe not. If (according to some on this board) John Clayton can "literally make things up" -- that is, lie --, then perhaps the Coughlin camp and others could engage in the same behavior. Or maybe everybody is right and Coughlin wants to be the next head coach at Alabama. Who knows.

This plus Tyrod. And where did Lorenzo Alexander come from? Wow.

From what I saw today they had the level of competence at QB that we became accustomed to since Flutie started his decline. I'll enjoy this one. I'd like to act like I've "been there before" with respect to beating the patriots in a meaningful game in Foxboro, but ... It's been awhile.

That call was wrong. Typical foxboro nonsense. Have to beat their 11, their tech guys, and the refs.

The bills' ortho gave an interview? I must have missed it. Not sure one way or the other that Rex and Whaley accurately related the advice that was given to them. Not sure how any of us could know.

Kevin Everett probably agrees with every word of this. Dez Bryant, Kevin Durant, Julian Edelman, and Julio jones probably will, too, when they read it. Also, how were you privy to the medical advice given with respect to shaq Lawson prior to the draft?

That's your opinion.

"Too" bad.

You have your opinion, I have mine. What's Doug Marrone up to these days? Also, try Googling Mike Shanahan and see what comes up about his dealings with Al Davis. Same thing for Ralph and Wade Phillips. And that's just off the top of my head.

Don't forget the food. And the fact that he answered to "Jim." And the fact that (you can do the work on this if you still doubt this) that the exec in question lives two miles from the coffee shop I mentioned. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck ...

The only one assuming anything is you. And it's your opinion that it would be dumb to meet with another coaching candidate while the vacancy is filled. For what it's worth, I doubt that Coughlin was here. (If I set up something like that, and if Coughlin is still in NJ, it would have been on a plane at the airport at Teterboro. Either way there is no reason for him to visit team facilities for that purpose until something is imminent.) But I don't doubt that the Pegulas have doubts about Rex. The football side of this organization has been nothing but an embarrassment to the Pegulas since the draft. The list of sins is long and well-known, so I won't repeat it here. At the core of most of those problems (the Shaq Lawson thing aside) is a failure of discipline and preparation. Like it or lump it our team looks like a joke after "winning the offseason" and after all of last year's bluster. I would not tolerate an associate making me look as Rex has made the Pegulas look to their partners and stakeholders. I also wouldn't be beyond embarrassing such a person if I felt that he or she had taken advantage of me. (That is, if I felt that my $27.5m hire in turn hired a horde of coaches so he wouldn't have to do much real work, thereby allowing the current mess to have exploded.) Maybe the Pegulas feel the same way, and maybe it isn't so dumb.

See above.

In other words you don't know one way or the other and you're assuming something based on what you believe to be standard operating procedure of other clubs. Understood.

He was the spitting image of Jim Overdorf, and when the barista said, "Order for Jim!" he picked it up. (For what it's worth it was two to-go cups of coffee -- in my opinion as a guy who goes there all the time, probably tall -- and some food.) And Overdorf happens to live in a neighborhood a few minutes from there. No schit thrown here.

Maybe. But he wasn't dressed for that. Looked like warmer climate attire. Or "casual day" at the office wear.

How do you know that? Maybe "safe assumption" is a better play here.

So 100% fact ... not so much.

So he was at the stadium? When?

I'll bite. I think this is bogus. But I think something has been up at OBD. I live in OP, and early last Saturday morning I noticed a limo parked outside a local coffee shop. The driver was standing outside drinking a cup of coffee from a different establishment, which led me to believe he was waiting for someone inside. I was heading into the coffee shop as it was, and the presence of the limo at that hour was very odd, so I wondered who I would see inside. Turns out it was a prominent Bills exec who, based on attire, looked to be headed somewhere out of town. To be clear, I don't know that the limo was for the Bills exec. (Both the limo and the exec were gone when I left the coffee shop.) I still think the Coughlin story here is bogus, but maybe the exec was entertaining -- on a day where it turns out Rex was out of town. Who knows.

Browns winning is a gift from the heavens. If we lose our next two we may as well lose them all and see how deshaun Watson looks next year.

I'm being serious in what will follow. I watched the Rex and rob thing last night. It's nice to know our head coach is sitting around playing with baseball cards. This is not to suggest that he is not entitled to a life or that he should work all the time. But I wondered whether belichick, Arians, Tomlin, etc. would be involved in such nonsense. Probably not. In any event, we've tried everything around here with no luck. So let's start the tank. And when we're done, pay the best coach we can find. It's not my money, but I wouldn't care of it takes $25m/year to get a guy like Bruce Arians. We waste time of money on Dareus, clay, etc. so why not burn it on a credible coaching staff?

Totally agree. Was thinking the same thing as I dejectedly left the stadium tonight. If we lose the next two we may as well lose them all. Cleveland is bound to lose at least once. Hopefully terry is thinking tank after his experience with the Sabres.

Agreed. Fat Karl cut and Dareus to rehab on the same day. Not a coincidence. Let's see what happens to manny Lawson next.

Totally agree on dime a dozen. He can have fun dropping the ball in a different uniform next year. Always open, but never sure handed.