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I agree with the first three and probably the first four. Disagree strongly with respect to Paris, and am sort of neutral on Iran (I didn’t like it to begin with, but it probably was the best of the bad basket of options. Time will tell). But the question remains, as Americans, are our lives better than they were four years ago? I don’t know about you, but the fact that my kid can’t go to school this year isn’t outweighed by the fact that Greece (I’m assuming it’s a NATO slacker) upped its contributions to NATO. So the question remains, those accomplishments/improvements aside, are our lives better than they were four years ago?

I’m not sure with what you take issue. We agree that the response to this point has been a series of half measures. Your compliant with respect to the “protests” is not founded upon data. One must wonder why you have taken issue with those gatherings when there have been other, large-scale collections in which the crowd easily outnumbered that gathered at an aforementioned protest. Off the top of my head, I submit that the recent Sturgis gathering fits that bill, as does even President Trump’s ill-attended Tulsa rally. So I assume that you believe that the decisions to hold those events was utterly irresponsible and representative of poor leadership. Except for, you know, the people who were down for the count for months and who have, among other things, lung scarring.

Inquiries irrelevant to the hoax questions before us. Carry on.

Hmmm. Seems pretty hoaxy to me. If I may, the semantical gymnastics in which you engage to avoid the conclusion that Trump believed COVID-19 to be a hoax are undermined by the lack of care and attention he paid to the issue in its early stages (e.g., attempting to wish the problem away [“15 cases, soon to be zero” is a particularly damning quote] and speculating that magic might solve the problem [One day it will just “magically disappear”]). Now, nobody disagrees that this amorphous Antifa organization and any related organizations shouldn’t go around killing anyone. If they or their members have killed anyone, that is wrong. The point here is that there is a myopic focus on perhaps, at most, a handful of Antifa/BLM/communist arsonist deaths, and blithe ignorance of the nearly 200,000 deaths caused by COVID-19. Surely some of those deaths could not have been avoided even had the best of precautions been taken. But surely there is a massive number of needless deaths that can be attributed to federal inaction and ignorance. That point underlines this thread, and your reasonable, non-hoaxy comments on the merits would be appreciated. Looked out the window this morning and things are copacetic in this democrat-run city. At least insofar as nothing is ablaze. But we remain mired in a pandemic, which is a much greater threat to life and property than is a contrived concern with respect to communist arsonists. Continue discussion.

So you agree that COVID-19 is not a hoax? Do you also acknowledge that communist arsonist mass casualties are a hoax? (And, to the extent it provides fertile ground for discussion, your quote misses the point. Doing things “right” obviously would have reduced casualties. Otherwise there would be no point in briefings, exploration of reasonable treatments, PPE dispersal, social distancing, and vaccines, among other things. We would simply have gone about our business and accepted our fate, whatever “luck” dictated it may have been. Consequently, the notion that the mass casualties caused by COVID-19 could not have been mitigated by prompt and effective federal action is . . . a hoax.) Eyes on the prize here. COVID-19 is not a hoax, correct? And communist arsonist mass casualties are a hoax, correct?

Meanwhile, the alt-wrong rejects science, law, and truth.

That’s a different hoax. We’re talking about COVID-19 (not a hoax) and communist arsonist mass casualties (an actual hoax) here. Carry on.

You seem to know a lot about court. Interesting, but a discussion or another day. Let’s stay on topic here. COVID-19 is not a hoax and has a very high casualty right (approximately eight times the casualty rate of 9/11 and more, if I recall correctly, than all casualties in all wars that this nation has fought since 1945). Mass death attributable to communist arsonists in American cities in 2020, however, is a hoax. Continue discussion. I think about a week. We won’t know who won for awhile, but I agree with you. Truth will return to the White House soon.

I see no support for those things that “we’re” facts. And my “bullcrap” is supported by CDC data. Unlike, I note, your position with respect to the COVID-19 casualty count. Continue discussion.

I have to add. It’s confusing keeping track of all of these things the President likes to characterize as a hoax. The “hoax real” and “hoax fake” thing is tough to wrap my head around. But this is the world in which we live.

Did Trump replace that PPE before COVID-19? And complaining about the absence of such PPE sort of acknowledges that, maybe, perhaps, COVID-19 is not a hoax. If that’s the case, it also begs the question why the primary tools used to combat this pandemic were magic, lies, and untested medicinal uses of everyday household cleaners. Also, for what it’s worth, I have contributed CDC data to this discussion. You have contributed merely your opinion, which, together with $1, will get me the coffee that is the subject of that run. Our concern right now rests with hoaxes real (COVID-19, which is not a hoax) and hoaxes fake (Mass death Caused by communist arsonists in the 2020 United States, which, in the absence of data to the contrary, actually is a hoax). Please post data supporting your position or keep what otherwise will be considered your conspiracy theories out of this fact-based discussion.

Notice the word “we.” I say no. Obviously no. Too many unnecessary, avoidable deaths. Too much insecurity. Too much economic malaise in the middle and lower classes. Not enough federal leadership. What say you? *And I acknowledge that if the word “you” was used instead of “we,” the answer might be different for some. If you have the money to be in the market and you know what you’re doing, you very well may be better off now. But that’s only a fraction of Americans, and we are all in this together. So, the question remains, are “we” better off now than we were four years ago?

Another guy with nothing to say when the topic is inconsistent with what he wants to hear in a right-wing echo chamber. Glad you enjoyed your dinner.

We’re aware of your antipathy for President Obama, and your agreement with the opinion of Mr. Bognino. Do you have an opinion as to the “hoax-based casualty” issue in discussion here? If not, please refrain from distracting those on this forum who have interest in an honest, candid discussion about about this very important question.

Not on the topic. But it begs the question? Did Obama rely on magic and the medicinal power of Lysol in an unsuccessful effort to combat a pandemic arising from an airborne virus, and did 200,00 people die as a result of that incompetence? Continue discussion.

Interesting that the right-wingers here enjoy partaking in the discussions of conspiracy theories, racist tropes, and false narratives regarding anyone who disagrees with them. But a nice fact-based discussion about things that are not a hoax (and cause mass death) and things that are a hoax (and that do not cause mass death)? Crickets. That’s a bit different from your prior post. You initially said, and I quote, “actually only 11,000 died from covid19, all the others died from underlying conditions, that is from the CDC.” Now, you have shifted your stance and you appear to acknowledge that the COVID-19 death count of nearly 200,000 is accurate, but that some of those decedents had underlying conditions. Perhaps that is because the CDC data does not support your original (hoax-based) position. So, bottom line, if you can’t do math, it looks like the COVID-19 death count remains much closer to the 200,000 figure than it does to your hoaxy 11,000 number. Continue discussion.

The problem I have with your logic is that if “we” just acted responsibly at the outset of this mess there’s a very good chance that we would be in a much better position right now. So, unfortunately, because we engaged in half measures, refused to wear masks, and to a certain point dabbled in magic and bleach and direct-to-lung Lysol ideas as potential silver bullets, we may have to go through another shutdown this fall. It absolutely sucks. And I feel terribly for those who will be hurt by it, But it may fall into the “short term pain, long term gain” category. Otherwise we’re just going to be overrun.

Fake news. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm *** There is also this additional piece of real news. The excess death count. Looks pretty ugly from here. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm Bottom line: COVID-19 is not a hoax. Communist arsonist-caused deaths in democrat-run cities is a hoax. Continue discussion.

Nice. Is that response your new hoax?

180,000 Americans have died as a result of COVID-19. Not a hoax. Also, woke up this morning to discover that democrat-run cities are not burning. So no deaths attributable to communist arsonists there. Looks like that “burning cities” storyline might be a hoax. Bottom line: the COVID-19 “hoax” is actually killing people. The burning cities claim is actually a hoax and is not actually killing people. It’s just meant to distract you from the fact that lower income Americans are facing an economic inflection point based Trump’s decision to rely on magic and the medicinal powers of Lysol to defeat a non-hoax pandemic. It also is meant to distract from the fact that Trump didn’t accomplish his major policy goals (wall, repeal and replace) and, in addition to being a crappy human being, also is a crappy president. Discuss.

This dude deserves it. He believed in poor and underprivileged kids. An American success story. Didn’t get him when I was a kid. Respect the hell out of him as an adult.

Good point. Grandma's nursing home relied on magic to wish the virus away. Oops. We miss Grandma.

Evening update. Two fires in my neighborhood the evening. Can’t confirm that neither fire was started by a communist. One fire saw several children roast marshmallows. Other led to the cooking of hot dogs. Will stay vigilant tonight. More later.

Interesting. Didn't see Rusten Sheskey mentioned in there. Did Officer Sheskey know about these issues (not that they would have justified seven shots to the back) when he pulled the trigger? And, if so, how do these independent legal issues justify Officer Sheskey's actions? Looks like the conduct complained of occurred in May 2020 and the criminal complaint with respect to that conduct was filed in July 2020. I don't say this lightly. With the attitude that you've displayed, you are exactly the problem with American law enforcement.

The fact that he hasn't had a workout this week (assuming that he would accept a workout) says that other people agree with you. I'm one of them, for what it's worth.