dave mcbride

8 playoff games and 1,140 rushing yards and 12 TDs (plus a SB MVP). That's not a small sample size, and the numbers are staggering. Those games were against the best competition too.

Re Sayers, check out the kick return stats and the yards-per-reception stats in his early seasons. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SayeGa00.htm

He actually had 6 good season at Rutgers, factoring in that Rutgers was historically terrible prior to his arrival. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/coaches/greg-schiano-1.html He was DC at the U of Miami in 1999 and 2000, and the defenses were excellent. For instance: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/miami-fl/2000.html . Just sayin' -- there's a lot of false info floating around in this thread. People need to at least a little bit of research! (not referring to you, @YoloinOhio)

Well, he's great in the postseason, and I'm a firm believer that the postseason matters -- A LOT. I also think he's at least as good as Welker, and let's not forget that Welker choked big time against the Giants in the 2011 SB and the Ravens in the 2012 AFC championship game early in the second half when the Pats had a chance to put the game away. Those were two huge drops on relatively easy throws that would have changed the game if caught. The drop in the SB arguably cost them the game. If he catches that, they're in the red zone and can probably run out the clock. I'm not saying Edelman should get in, by the way. @C.Biscuit97 -- Edelman never did this. Watch this play closely. It's a terrible drop:

No, he's not, but I won't be surprised if he gets another 250 catches or so over the next three seasons and ends up with ~750-800 for his whole career. His career ain't over yet.

He shouldn't get in based on his regular season stats, but I'm a firm believer that postseason numbers should be taken into consideration. It's why Terrell Davis, who had 1,140 rushing yards and 12 TDs in 8 postseason games (extrapolated to 16 games, that's 2,280 yards and 24 TDs) against the highest level of competition, is in -- and rightfully so. Edelman has 115 receptions and 1,412 receptions in 18 games (only 14 starts; he was a special teamer when he started there). That's damn impressive.

Let's not forget either that Unger is a borderline elite center - first team all-pro once plus multiple pro bowls.

Look closer. The KC receiver blatantly took out not one but two NE players and made zero effort to run an actual route.

? - i was referring to the pitiful non-call on the blatant OPI.

Not nearly as bad as this: https://mobile.twitter.com/nfl/status/1087177623858364416?lang=en

He strikes me as the Jonathan Cooper of wide receivers. I’d steer clear.

Yes, his catch numbers aren’t what people should be focusing on. He is almost always a leader or one of the leaders in terms of offensive snaps outside of Brady and the o-line. He does a lot of other things in that offense.

PS re my post above - Hogan played 63 snaps (88 percent of all plays) and only came out for the late td drive when McDaniels went with the heavy 2 TE set to get the rams out of nickel (and then proceeded to pass it 4 straight plays down to the 2). He played in 93 percent of the snaps vs the eagles and in 97 percent vs the Falcons (more than anyone besides brady and the o-linemen).

I rewatched the game. He was blanketed three times (the INT play and 2 deep throws where Peters covered him), one pass was tipped and behind him (bad decision to throw into what looked like triple coverage), one was a one hopper across the middle where he was open (bad throw), and one was a drop on a not particularly well thrown ball that would have resulted in precisely zero yards if caught. Brady yelled at himself on the one hopper, not Hogan. To be fair, Brady was pressured on that throw and didn’t really step into it. The narrative that he had some sort of bad game because he screwed up is flawed. He’s a great blocker and played almost every snap. That said, I suspect he’s gone.

I definitely see your point, but the simple fact of the matter is that Julio is a significantly better player than all of those Saints players mentioned above and definitely a more committed “process” guy than the likes of Jimmy Graham (a life-long wretched blocker, btw).

My point is that contra Rex, he actually did have a knee problem when we signed him. His best years were with Miami, even though he was OK for the Bills.

I don't think Daboll is like that, and he really showed growth over the course of the season in his playcalling. Give him some good players, and I expect good things will happen. He's a longtime Belichick guy after all, and he's analytical.

I agree. I think he's a good coach.

I don't know what he took. I'm guessing it was something to help him come back from the fallow/lying low period that accompanies an ACL tear.

This topic comes up a lot, but I have to ask: why would Atlanta, even factoring in the contract squabbling, trade one of the best players in the league ( https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneJu02.htm ) when everyone knows that it's win now for them or else? I'd be extremely surprised if he's not playing for the Falcons next season. They won their last 3 games in 2018, and they were definitely better than their 7-9 record. Injuries in their secondary killed them.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2017/09/25/why-nfls-first-positive-hgh-tests-deserve-more-attention/#187e32c5663d Re 10 to 40 percent, I'd put it on the upper end and even probably above 40. At the end of the day, the NFL really can't go after HGH use in a serious way. That's because of the nature of the sport itself. I don't even have a problem with it given that I think it's effective medicine for people whose occupation requires in participating in the equivalent of multiple car wrecks every Sunday for 5-6 months.

I think the ravens beat them in foxboro in 09.

Between 2000 and 2010, the Jets had 8 winning seasons and 6 playoff appearances.

Not Tannenbaum!

Then you'd be getting rid of most of the league because I assure you that HGH use is rampant. There's a reason the league doesn't test for it -- it's unparalleled at accelerating the healing of muscle tears, and countless NFL players suffer such tears (relatively minor but still debilitating) every week. Without it, tons more players would be injured every week of the season.