el Tigre

Whatever happened to ICE?

47 years old and a Bills fan all my life. Grew up in a sports family and picked the Bills at 4 or 5 cuz of the "bull" on the helmet. When I first started playing Pop Warner I would tell other kids I was Butch Byrd. Growing up in Northern Cali most of them replied "who?" I'm from a family of Raider and 49er fans,and all of us are Michigan Wolverine fans since my Dad is from the Detroit area. So the Bills really are MY team as far as the family goes. My outlook is the same for next year as it is every other year.Hopeful. I hope and believe they can make the playoffs. I thought Jauron would be fired and was looking forward to a new coach and all the hope and excitement that brings. That didn't happen but it's not the end of the world. Look,for all of Jaurons faults if we just get half decent play,on a consistent basis,from our QB position we probably make the playoffs this season. We're not that far off. Improve at C and DE and get some consistensy from our QB and we're there. GO BILLS!

Since my Wolverines didn't make a bowl this year I'm gonna hop on the Bulls fanwagon for the International Bowl. Hope you longtime UB fans don't mind. GO BULLS!!!

It's easy to say that now,but I remember at the time that was not a universally accepted fact. Cutler had a HORRIBLE won-loss record in college. He was a guy that obviously had the measurables but never was a winner.

I don't think anybody can answer that question yet. I don't know if Trent can turn it around and be a franchise QB,he showed flashes earlier in the season but I now have my doubts. Leinart has never really impressed me. I think it's possible both end up career backups.

You have your opinion,I have mine. Apparently you are one of the many hysterical,negative fans that post here. I always try to find the positive in situations,and the poster made many good points in his original post. You can go ahead and dump the team if you wish,I'll be rooting for the Bills whether I agree with RW's decisions or not. Their my team. And when they do turn it around you and your whiny friends will be back,bragging how you've "always been a Bills Fan".

By serious trouble do you mean the team may leave town?

Go away. You make way too much sense to post on this board.

I turn on the computer and listen to the feed while I go about my usual activities. Usually lifting weights, Sundays are a workout day for me.

I've never got the Sunday Ticket. It's a ripoff. 300 bucks to sit on my ass and stare at a tv? What a joke. I go to games live,watch free tv or listen to an internet feed.

Tuitama is from my hometown. I'd love it if he was the QB on my favorite team.

Actually "tweeners" are pretty plentiful in the draft. Lots of good college DE's are too small to hold up as every down pro ends. Many can really rush the QB but get swallowed up by NFL tackles and convert well to LB's in a 3-4. Lamar Woodley,Mike Vrabel,Willie McGinist and Tedy Bruschi are a few names that come to mind that sucsessfully made the switch to LB. Current Michigan DE Brandon Graham fits that same mold. The real challenge,IMO,is finding a NT. I have no idea if any DT presently on our roster could play NT in a 3-4.

The first string talent on this team is fairly good,what we really lack is depth. Once a starter gets hurt the dropoff in talent is huge. That said,if our QB's give us just average play this season,we make the playoffs. Unfortunately our QB performance has been horrible.

Heard today Gill will be staying at UB.

I live about an hour from the Oakland Colisseum and used to attend a few Raider games every year.But for the last few years I've been spending my money at Bulldog Stadium watching Fresno State play instead. I haven't been to a Raider game in 4 years,and it has nothing to do with their win-loss record. For a person like myself that has to count my pennies,college football is just a much better value. The NFL is pricing itself out of the range of lower income people. Plus I get to watch hungry,motivated guys play to the whistle instead of overpayed complainers play when they feel like it. I can watch that on tv.

It's way too early to judge Hardy. Give him a year or 2. WR's rarely make an impact in their rookie season.

I disagree. I don't think Trent was ever GREAT. He was very good for short stretches within a game. He never played GREAT for a whole game. Overall TE played good but not great when we won. When we lost he abolutely SUCKED,as did JP most of the time. Jauron is an average coach. I would like better, but with solid,consistent QB play he could get this team to the playoffs.

That's a problem as is C,TE and overall depth. But with decent play at the QB position we are good enough to make the playoffs,IMO.

We were still in position to win the game. The constant in our loses this season has been poor QB play. I'm not saying TE is done. Give him another shot next year with maybe a more experienced OC and see what happens. But also keep your eyes open to someone else that could be availiable,thru draft or FA. Name me a game this season that our QB played well that we lost.

No,but it has stopped us from winning.

Losman is not a good QB. That's no surprise to most here. I'd rather see Hamdan get the start,but I will still watch or listen next week no matter who starts.

This seasons collapse is not Jaurons fault. It's not the defenses fault. It's not the questionable play-calling. It's because of poor play at the QB position. Period. When TE played well we won,when TE or JP played poorly,we lost. Fix the QB position next year and we're in the playoffs.

Collinsworth is an idiot. He also said that Andy Reid was "a failure in life" because of drug problems some of his kids had. He's a jackass with a big mouth,who unfortunately has a job that allows him to broadcast his moronic statements nationwide.

I heard the whole thing. Clayton said IF the Fins win the AFC East w/Pennington at QB the Jets MAY look to replace Mangini,and that Cowher would be a good fit. Sounded like complete speculation on Claytons part to me.

We seem to agree that the FO is responsible for the lack of depth on this team. Where we differ is who's making those calls. I say it's Wilson not wanting to bring in these vets that may help cuz he doesn't want to spend the money. We have a pretty good first string,but no depth. Donnie Spragen is the kind of vet that could add needed depth,but he was let go. My opinion is that money was the issue there,not ability,and that's Wilsons call not Jaurons. If money wasn't an issue I'd think you'd see guys like KJB,Joe Horn,etc. brought in at least for a look. Maybe they could help,maybe not,but they're not even considered because RW won't spend the money. Jauron can only coach the players the FO will sign. Just my opinion.