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Agreed, back in that period of despair, it seemed one simple thing would have elated us fans - a win against Miami. Another poster suggested we are approaching that level of futility with our 14 losses against NE. I have to say, (and I hope we don't see it), but IF we get to 20 straight losses against NE, with no winning seasons or playoffs between now and then, we would be approaching the point where we'd be able to start making the case that we were in the worst years. We ain't there yet though.

That's what killed it for me. I just totally lost any hope that he was going to be able to lead a succesful offense, no matter how much time or coaching he received. No guts no glory.

I hear ya. Back then the wins and the seasons leading up to the Super Bowls were awesome - unquestionably the best ever as a Bills fan. But there is no denying those SB losses stung the most. It did take a loooong time for us to get to that place. Now that so many years of additional suckdom have passed, it is almost more painful, recognizing how very hard it was to get to that place, and how very far away from it we are now. Sometimes I wonder if Kelly & Company in that first SB could somehow have seen a glimpse of the future on that last drive, of how close they'd come, and how tough all the next ones would be, that they would have somehow found a way to dig just a little deeper, and get just a little closer for Norwood. Maybe not, but who knows? At any rate those years were clearly filled with higher highs and lower lows. Now, the hope flame is burning kind of low, and unfortunately, most of us are back to the pre Kelly years, kind of getting numb to the losses, and trying to take some comfort in the little things. Problem I've got is those little things keep getting littler. They were things like winning some games, the hope of getting past .500, picking up some needed talent, things like that. I found myself feeling kind of good about how well we played NE last week in another expected loss. As I reflect on that, I can't help but feel that taking comfort in the little things that keep getting littler is kind of sad. Especially when you guys bring up the memories of the closest thing to glory days we may ever have as fans. That said, I will always be a fan, and hope to see a SB win before I leave this green earth.

What's acceptable to me, is seeing a QB actually throw the ball down field. It is simply amazing how much that helps every other facet of the offense. The opponents can't just crowd everybody up on the line to stuff the run, and they have to pay attention to the whole field, not just 5 yards from the line of scrimmage. And thus the offensive line even looks better. I don't like interceptions, especially ones that potentially cost us the game, but I'll TAKE them over the horribly inept offense we've been watching with Trent at QB.

You know, it's kind of a slow process for these coaches we bring in. First they think they can work with the guy who was the starter, and they want to give that some time. Eventually coach realizes that's not cutting it, and they're taking heat, so they start the backup. Then, let's see... the backup gets hurt so we're back to the original starter. He shows some "spark" once back in the saddle so coach has some renewed hope. Then he slowly flames out again, but not all at once mind you - there's some sorta decent games mixed in, just enough to give coach some hope. By about then it's near the end of the season and coach is still wondering about the backup, maybe they didn't give him enough time under center. What they don't ever seem to figure out is WE NEED an O-LINE! At least Gailey's taking step one faster than most. Let's hope he's a quick learner with a nose for talent and has influence on draft and trade decisions.

Exactly. It seems other teams learned last year all they need to do is stack the box against the run, and dare Trent to beat 'em with his arm. More times than not it was a great strategy for our opponents. It seems like groundhog day to me. The end of the game was just embarassing. Two offensive chances, 7 downs (not counting the intentional safety), and not a single throw to be proud of. I was getting so frustrated I was yelling at the TV "throw the damn ball!". It's like Trent was waiting for the perfect chance, and not understanding that he needed to be in do or die mode! Damn, if you're going to go down, at least go down swinging...

I'd have to have the memory of the Miami game wiped from my memory. Then I'd be entering this game with the same misguided optimism I had prior to that game. That somehow everything about our team had improved from last year and we were going to kick off the season with an "in your face naysayers" upset win.

Let's also remember, the Skins played like crap last year, and they've had no time to jell. If we look this bad against a crap team, I can't wait to see how bad we look against the good teams. Ouch!

Yeah, that's a bright spot, nice to see

He's playing the "homer" announcer role. On and on about the Skins. Well they said at a break "this is Washington Redskins football sponsored by blah blah blah, so I guess that is to be expected.

Ill second Ted and Pat. With them we had some awesome run stuffers, and pretty highly ranked defenses. Plus they went on to have many more productive years. Ah, the good old days, when our defense could actually come up with the needed stops late in the game...

LOL - Our O-Line is a brick wallfor any Bills RB trying to run

Blockers, you're talking Blockers? He's so good he don't need no stinking blockers

All I can say is Live by the Favre, Die by the Favre. The dude did a great job all year of controlling his gunslinger reputation, and earning his best ever TD/Int ratio. So what's he do on THE most important play of the game (of the year for that matter)? That old trigger pops in his brain "I GOTTA make a play" and next thing you know it's New Orleans' ball. Same old Favre. I feel sorry for the Vikings fans going down like that. Top that off with what will forever be a controversial call on the Saints catch that made it 3rd and 3, and this has to be a very tough loss for them.

Change Ail's Ye

Not Marty

Chan Gailey profile (from GA Tech site) There's a lot to read here, but overall, seems he's been a winner everywhere he went. He deserves a chance, let's hope he can assemble a decent staff.

I wasn't saying it was likely, just that I wouldn't mind having Wade back. Maybe Ralph can just say gosh I'm sorry, I was out of my mind for letting you go

When we got rid of Wade I was glad, as I thought his decision to start Johnson in the Titans game was insane. (I'm not trying to start up that old controversy by the way). My point is, in retrospect, Wade was the best coach we had post Levy. At least we had one of the top ranked D's back then. So, maybe he deserves another shot. At least you know what you're getting.

I agree. I don't think Jones will be able to deal w being embarrassed like that.I expect the announcement this week.

Me too. Especially since he seems to be the only who might actually want the job

Yeah, I don't want either of those, but if the Saints whup 'em (either of them) in the Super Bowl, it's still all good!

I keep waiting for the Jets we played to show up - with all the bad decisions/interceptions. But they are playing really tough (and smart) dammit. I think the Colts are going to have their hands full.

Well Frazier must be liking all this. His asking price can keep going higher if no one else even wants the job. "I mean, if you want me to coach the Bills, sure, but it's going to cost you..."

Let's face it. With an owner in his 90's who has not made it clear what is going to happen to the team upon his demise, there is quite a bit more "uncertainty" associated with coaching the Bills than with most any other team out there right now. I want a big name proven coach too, but I'm starting to believe none are going to be interested. It's not "Buffalo bashing" or disrespect for the city. But really, the team is in tatters and it's future is totally up in the air. What coach who feels they can wait things out or afford to be choosy is going to choose us?