Coach Tuesday

Kelly I had the same though - the NFL will find a way to avoid doing the right and obvious thing - they will somehow screw this up. Hope I’m wrong. Also, the fact that the Browns players, to a man, condemned this, is good for the team long-term. Kitchens will be fired soon and if they get the next hire right, watch out.

Not psyched about this. Tanking doesn’t really work, and Fitz is helping Flores build confidence in the program. They’ll still land a blue chip QB.

Maybe it’s as simple as: it’s been a looooong time since Josh made a special, game-changing play. Fans are hungry and starting to get impatient. Need to see some magic soon.

Pretty sure everyone agrees with this, including Allen, his coaches and the GM...

Or potential blue chip WRs in Metcalf and Hardman.

This is where I'm at - it's a processing speed issue. Tough to correct, but not impossible.

Same here, although I continue to think he's not being put in the best situation given the lack of playmakers. That said, his problems all stem from slow processing speed, which was an issue in college and is a hard thing to correct as a pro. His accuracy issues result from poor mechanics which result from delayed processing - he has less time to set his base, because it takes him too long to recognize where to throw it. He's just not reading defenses well enough or quickly enough and it's troubling that it's still going on after 20 games. Should he get another 20 games? Absolutely. But as I've said, in the meantime I'd draft or sign a developmental guy, someone with lesser tools but faster processing speed (a Minshew/Kyle Allen type).

Come on......

Right. I'm not a football expert at all. But from experience, throwing a football (or a frisbee) on a deep line to a moving target is hard enough - but it gets really tough when you don't know which way the guy is going to break. That's why you would prefer to have the route oriented toward a particular flag or the goalpost. It looked to me like Allen threw that one straight on the line McK was running, and that if McK had just kept running that line it might've hit him in stride. But the way that play worked out suggests to me it hasn't been practiced enough...

Like this play? Sorry I don't know how to embed Tweets Looks like Allen throws it to where McKenzie starts out running, but the McKenzie veers from his route and can't seem to track the ball at all. It's a very odd route. Was it supposed to be an outside post?

Those clips are tough to watch. I'm sooooo tired of poor QB play. 25 years!!

It's not a long-term solution. They need to draft or sign a thumper this offseason and move Edmunds outside. But in the meantime they've run out of sacks and turnovers and the lack of a pass rush is the biggest reason. And they're getting gashed in the run game, anyway.

I still don't understand it. Are they just subtly throwing Josh under the bus?

Do it. Put him at the Mike and move Edmunds to the Elephant role, let him rush the passer where he has a chance to be ELITE. You want to shake things up and tilt the field a bit? Time to make a move, McBeane.

Watching Clowney and Gordon contribute to the Hawks’ win last night was frustrating. I’ll leave it at that for now.

I had a problem with a deep ball one year...

I still don’t get it.

What the hell does that mean, they weren’t planning to huddle? Sorry that I’m dense. Can someone explain to me what that means? Isn’t he the coach? Doesn’t he make the plans AND implement them? What is going on????

Wayne: I say this with affection - posting on a sports message board will not cure depression.

What makes you think he’d be getting that much out of a young pocket passer?

Sorry but I have no faith in foster successfully tracking an oblong object in the air. He just can’t seem to do it.

Probably so. And I certainly prefer taking chances to the “Gallipoli Offense” strategy of repeatedly slamming a running back into a wall with little hope of success. Allen needs to bail out his OC by hitting one or two of these chances...

I think that's mostly right. The game went about as I expected it to, although I thought there was a non-zero chance the Browns could come out totally disorganized and flat and Allen would finally hit on some deep passes and they'd take care of business a bit better. I think the frustration you're sensing is (i) some folks are embarrassed because they've spent weeks fighting the narrative that the Bills weren't as good as their record; (ii) some of us are just exhausted from watching bad quarterback play for nearly three decades; (iii) the game was in hand, and the Bills should've been able to close it out; and (iv) there is a sense that, even though this isn't the most talented team, the talent is still being somewhat underutilized by the coaches, especially on offense. Number (iv) is my biggest beef - I'm pretty darn sure that, although Allen has a lot of flaws and this offense lacks any real playmakers, a better OC would be getting more out of this offense than Daboll is. He just seems to lack a feel for the rhythm of the game and lacks some situational awareness. Although on that final point, I suspect it's become a bit muddy and complicated as a result of McDermott-Daboll dynamic: after Allen fumbled the Eagles game away, I'm fairly certain McDermott instructed Daboll to keep it simple and use the running backs on those plays; that led to Daboll slamming Gore into the teeth of the 'Skins' d-line over and over again without success, which probably led to McD telling Daboll to pass more where the situation dictated it; which Daboll took as a license to air it out against a Browns defense that was totally stacking the box, which led to the fans (and probably McD) complaining that they didn't run enough... that's my suspicion, anyway - Daboll and McD are caught in a vicious cycle with the offense and they just can't get ahead of it.

He needs to be schemed open.

Unless he's changed his approach to management and commication (which is possible if he's learned under Harbaugh), he'll faceplant as a HC.