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I love when people take a comment that was said weeks ago and already covered and post it like it's fresh news when the person repeats themselves.

I don't know how you can say that my take that *both* the people who claim almost definitively we're in great shape and will be good *and* the people who claim almost definitively we're in terrible shape and are doomed, before even a single snap of Training Camp has occured, are getting carried away - makes me a homer. I've said each side may be right or wrong. We won't know for sure until we see it. Let's just stop calling each other "idiots".

This thread has long gone off the rails. Look, I'm not saying it's unfair to question how he decided to address the room. Nor am I saying you should blindly support it with zero question as to it succeeding. But this is 60+ pages of largely just that. People wanting to get their receipts in that it surely will fail to claim supremacy that they were right. Or people wanting to get their receipts in to show that they never questioned his decisions to be able to claim supremacy that *they* were right. People on one side arguing with people on the other side, minds made up. Ultimately, the room is what it is. He built this room as best that he could in according to the vision that he had and the assets available to him, navigating the curveball thrown by Diggs. It may succeed. It may fail. We don't know. But arguing back and forth over "woulda, coulda, shoulda's" or blind support is moot. It doesn't change what the makeup of the room is and has no effect on whether it will succeed or fail. Whichever side you land on, you may be right or you may be wrong. But let's stop essentially calling each other idiots and let it play out before we proclaim it a success or a failure. None of us have a Crystal ball.

It says it's sold out. I'm surprised. How many are they letting in?

We wouldn't "see BB try" unless he landed him. I'd bet dollars to donuts he's talked to San Fran about Aiyuk and LV about Adams this offseason already.

And Davante Adams was on the sideline live on TV screaming he wanted out like a year ago. He can request all he wants. That doesn't mean he's going to be moved. The percentage of players who have requested to be traded vs. actually *are* traded isn't great. Not to say it won't happen. Just to say this doesn't change a whole lot in my mind. I think it's obvious he's wanted out for months now.

We've got 7.5m to our name and it's mid-July. Pretty much all of that is going to the Practice Squad and In Season Spending. It's possible there's a smaller level signing or two. But I wouldn't be expecting "top level talent" at this point.

If his options league wide max out at no guarantees in both making the roster or financially - sure. Bring him in and have a look in the Offseason. But I have to imagine he'll be guaranteed more than that from someone.

But he's in the shot.... "Deepfake"

We didn't have an opportunity to draft him in the 4th anyways. We would have had to have taken him instead of Dewayne Carter in the 3rd or moved from 128 to the 1st Pick on Day 3 at 101. I said that the Troy Franklin crowd had severely overhyped his status as a prospect all offseason. There were WAY more warts in his game than his fans were saying there were when I watched his stuff beyond the highlight reel. I had him as a mid 2nd - early 3rd Round prospect. And that was before the reports of him bombing interviews came out. We met with him at the Combine. We were at his Pro Day, where he strangely decided to stick to his times in his (abysmal) 10 Yard and (lower than expected) 40 Yard Dashes - even though he claimed the bad performances were due to him being sick. We brought him in for a visit and even worked him out again, essentially to give him a do over of the Combine. After all of that, at picks 60 and 95, Beane wasn't interested in Drafting him. And no team in the entire league was interested in taking him until Round 4. Beane and the entire league determined in scouting him and meeting with him that he's not a prospect that can be relied upon in Year 1, if at all. If he were, he'd have been selected where his fanbase pre-Draft assumed he'd go and not on Day 3. And honestly, i'd have been interested to see where he was selected if Denver hadn't selected his College QB in Round 1 (as I think that played a role in his selection). Knowing all of that, it blows my mind that not selecting him seems to be the main argument and swaying point most go to when it comes to Beane addressing or not addressing the WR core adequately. He determined he was better off going with MVS and Claypool this year then he was with someone viewed as a risky project by not only him, but the entire league. I don't see that as an insane decision based on what the league as a whole thought of Franklin - as well as every Outside prospect from 60 onwards.

... if you don't disagree, you understand that "The Bills TE" is one of "The Bills WRs". It's a real weak argument to understand that and go "even though he plays WR, his official listing on the roster page is a TE, so he doesn't count and I'm only going to judge the room based on who's *officially* listed as a WR". "The Bills TE" is Dawson Knox. Dalton Kincaid is a Big Slot WR and should be thought of as part of the WR core, regardless of what his official designation on the Roster sheet says. Like I said, it also says Von Miller is a Linebacker and will all know he's a Defensive End.

Dalton Kincaid is as much a TE as Von Miller is a LB. Much like Travis Kelce, Dalton Kincaid is a Big Slot WR. He very rarely lines up as a true Tight End.

They did. Beane said as much anytime he was brought up. If the plan was to move on from Diggs, they would have done it early when they were getting rid of everyone else and would have had a different plan for attacking Free Agency early. And you don't eat that much dead cap unless you feel you don't have a choice. It was clear from Beane's presser when he refused to answer whether Diggs had demanded a trade and in the timing of it - both from when it was done in the Offseason and how soon after his last tweet throwing shade at Josh - things just hit a breaking point and it was done out of necessity rather than wanting to. Another thing he said in the presser was that everything he does is with what's best for the Bills in mind. And although he said we're not better without him, the move was what was best for the Bills. I don't know any other way of looking at that other than that the situation had become untenable. If Diggs hadn't gone nuclear, both publicly and probably even worse privately, he'd still be here.

I would hope it's sarcasm. Sadly, it's really hard to tell with some of the posters around here.

Jesus Christ. Are you serious with this garbage?

Thank you, I was literally in the process of typing the exact same thing.

Not great, in my opinion. We don't always have the greatest weapons and so many of our games are pulled out by Josh playing hero ball, putting the team on his back, and literally scratching and crawling for first downs to stay alive. Cousins isn't doing that and can't do that. The answer is probably somewhere in the middle of where Tyrod Taylor could take the Bills and where Josh takes the Bills.

People be like "don't wave your gayness in my face, keep it to your community" and "trans shouldn't compete in sports with non trans people" *Flag football league starts where they keep to themselves* "What's up with this exclusion?!" Honestly, I think it's sad. If people just treated everyone as people regardless of their orientation - maybe they wouldn't have to create a league amongst themselves to feel comfortable and welcome among all.

I don't understand how it's settling if he ranked them evenly. If he ranked them evenly, that means he could move down, still get a guy he ranked just as high as the guy he'd take at 28, and pick up assets elsewhere. He moved down 4 spots. He knew that not every team from 28-32 was picking a WR. Once he got to 32, he must have still had at least two guys evenly ranked and everyone knew they were going Legette. So he moved down just 1 more spot bc he preferred Coleman and knew he would still be there. We didn't have a 3rd. In the process of doing this, he was able to pick up Dewayne Carter, who he wouldn't have otherwise got. And the two WR's that went ahead of them between 28 and 32 were guys he wasn't interested in. With Dalton Kincaid, Curtis Samuel, and Khalil Shakir - we have the Inside and Inside/Outside Flex WR's more than covered. He was looking specifically at Big True X's. He said as much. That's where the holes were. Xavier Worthy and Ricky Pearsall may be great, but they weren't what he was looking for. He was able to get what he was looking for and pick up better players later at other positions at the same time. Evaluation wise, right now, that's a smart move. Will it look bad if Xavier Legette blows up and Keon Coleman falls on his face? Sure. But Worthy and Pearsall weren't the type of WR we were looking for anyways.

Not even speculation. Just a "wouldn't it be cool if?" article playing Madden with team's rosters. They're a dime a dozen during the offseason because there's nothing to talk about and they're not worth the little bandwidth they're taking up. The sad part is fanbases read this stuff and take it seriously. When reality is that 99.99% of the people "rumored" to be available to be traded aren't available and will never be traded. Then the fanbases go "what is this GM doing? they could have had (so and so)" - based on meaningless articles like this or Twitter chatter.

You're looking at this the wrong way. It isn't that he didn't like him or he was unafraid of him getting picked. It was that he had multiple WR's ranked evenly. After the guys that went in the Top 10 and BTJ, it seemed everyone had differing opinions and it came down to what you were looking for. And it's possible to have a log jam of players ranked fairly evenly at a position and still think highly of those players. From Picks 28-37, 6 of those 9 picks were WR's. At Pick 28, he probably had a number of guys he was looking at and knew he could still land one of them at 32. And at 32, he had at least two guys he was looking at that were even, so he knew he could move to 33 and still land one. We were looking for a true X Outside WR. Not a slot, not a Tweener, a big X. So guys like Worthy, Pearsall, and McConkey weren't much of a consideration - but other teams were in need of those kind of inside or inside/outside guys, even though that's not what we were looking for. He most likely knew KC was drafting Worthy and when they got to 32, they definitely knew Carolina was taking Legette. Everyone knew that was coming. So he knew he could go to 33 and still land Coleman. Considering Ja'Lynn Polk was taken at 37 (the next X if teams were iffy on Mitchell and considered to go later than he did), Coleman wouldn't have lasted much longer even if we hadn't taken him. It's been pretty much said Coleman would have been the pick if we stood pat at 28 and would have been the pick at 32. Just because he was the 8th WR taken doesn't mean we had him as WR8 in the Draft and every team in the league did. Every team after the top 4 guys went probably had a different ranking and it just boiled down to the type you were in need of.

I don't think bringing him back was an option. We may very well have tried to. But if you're Araiza, are you going to return to us and compete for the job or get a fresh start, signing with the back to back Super Bowl Champions who had no real competition?

While I don't disagree with the concept of getting him better weapons, I do disagree with the idea of making Josh a pocket QB. Josh is not a pocket QB. His accuracy improved between College and the Pro's, against the odds. But he's not a Manning, Brady, Rodgers type. If you take his ability to get first downs with his legs away, you're getting a much lesser QB. I think that showed in the first half of the season. McDermott was banging it into his skull to run less and not risk injury. And the results were mixed. It wasn't until later in the season and into the Playoffs when he put that out of his head that we started going on a run.

That doesn't help. It doesn't open up the stuff beyond the paywall.