Kelly to Allen

He's solving a break class need or improving the floor by replacing Elam as a backup. I get what you're saying he's not a legitimate solid starter. There is no roster with high end starters at every position or backup position I'm not saying we have to sign him. I'm simply saying he's probably better than Elam as a backup. And he'll be cheap. He's also very physical vs the run. Something Elam is horrible at. We're still drafting two CBS regardless

He's not being signed to be anything more than a possible backup and to at least give some breathing room to not force need in the draft. We're still drafting two CBS regardless imo.

We lost the AFC championship because the defense is a joke in the playoffs over and over again, and again... If the defense was just slightly above avg we would've beat kc by a couple tds.

Dane Jackson is the perfect vet backup cb

The past 5 years have been the most happy and angry I've ever been as a bills fan....

If that honestly happened I really think a small % of bills fans would just leave. It's too depressing to even contemplate honestly. They gotta find a way to find the lofton, Bruce and Bennett types that were around Kelly. I used to get mad at McDermott but a lot of this really is on beane. Look at the players around hurts, mahomes ( especially earlier in mahomes career), burrow has two absolute studs at wr ... Kelly was surrounded by hof players. It's extremely disheartening having this QB , the QB we were all waiting for after Kelly retired but he doesn't have anything close to those super bowl teams with Kelly. I tried to be the glass half full guy but the AFC championship and super bowl really was a wake up call. This is the biggest off season I can remember in a long time.

The good news is the draft is loaded on the dline. But can beane hit on the picks?? They have a chance to get 3 studs on the dline and that's not even counting free agency

It's cynical to think this but can you imagine if the Bengals got in and Allen still helped put up 30 points but burrow cooked our defense and we lost in the wildcard. This place would be way louder in their criticism for this front office and coach

I don't think McDermott is a " problem" in the context of just being a good coach and leader. Him and Beane are 100% a problem in the context of winning a championship The problem is his defense and beanes picks are indefensible and utterly embarrassed in the playoffs. In many respects it literally can't be worse on defense. So maybe there's nowhere to go but up. But ppl are rightfully pissed off. And it's tiresome. There is such a thing as someone being somewhere too long and failure after failure creating the urge to change leadership. Nobody here wants to think we're going to be remembered for 13 seconds and silly failures like the Warren Moon oilers. It's just gaslighting the fans when ppl act like we should be happy with that. I'm going to keep repeating it, it's a complete joke and embarrassing that we haven't been to at least one super bowl with this QB Elway who I and many compare Allen with went to 5 super bowls. We should have the same expectations with any regime that has Allen

Without a doubt losman. For multiple reasons 1. we failed to trade up for an obvious franchise QB in big Ben. 2. We panicked and traded the 05 1st for losman. 3. That pick in 05 could've been Rodgers. 4. Losman wasn't even a game manager, and couldn't read defenses. Total bust 5. This was the proverbial crossroads that marked the True incompetence and downturn of the bills organization. It took almost 25 years to find the next great QB after Kelly.... 6. The 09-10 seasons was some of the worst bills teams I've ever seen. I'm shocked they actually even won a football game. Those rosters were similar to the 83-85 teams

This is cringe. I don't get this. Our failure to win a championship has little to do with kc and everything to do with Beane and McDermott's defense being a joke in the playoffs. Other teams have either destroyed kc or simply played good defense and beat them. Even some teams that lost played much better on defense.

If you avg 30 PPG 3x in arrowhead and lose all 3 playoff games you have systemic issues on defense in personnel and coaching. The only playoff game I can remember where Allen played bad was vs Cincinnati. And that's when his elbow was hurt. Plus the second half of his first playoff game. Allen is number 1 all time in tds pg and yards pg in NFL playoff history.... Even Nick the troll wright has said Allen is the second best playoff qb right now. They need to overhaul the dline and cbs along with looking at a possible philosophical change on defense. This has nothing to do with kc and everything to do with the bills defense. Why? Because too much data is in with other teams playing much better defense against kc in wins and losses. I have lost a lot of faith in this regime to fix it, usually in the history of sports, they would've figured it out by now. The super bowl demoralized me because of the contrast in defense and then ppl in bills media saying " it's not realistic for the bills to have a dline like that".... Seriously??? It's very frustrating and I've tried to not be bitter about everything. But it's a complete joke and embarrassing that we haven't been to a super bowl with this QB. Anyone saying anything else is just a cope. Beane better build a great defense or I think it's time to move on. McDermott and Beane aren't entitled to infinite Elam and basham drafts while much lesser QBs get the glory of multiple rings because their front office can actually build a frickin pass rush and cover ppl If you asked me in 20 where we would be in 25, I would have guessed 2 titles. It's been a catastrophic failure no matter how ppl want to spin it.

Is it a terrible idea to sign Hollywood brown and draft Golden Rd 1? as the weeks have gone by I've become more concerned about how Coleman was after the injury and the adjustments secondaries were making against him. I understand he was a rookie but I just don't want to go through what we went through this year with the wide receiver room I'd much rather have more than enough talent there especially when you obviously have a great quarterback like Allen. It's also not the end of the world if Coleman is still a really good big play number three receiver I can live with that similar to Gabe Davis Having two second round picks gives us the flexibility to address the defensive line still

He turned the corner, made an incredible kick vs Miami and then was perfect in the playoffs.

Looking back on everything it is pretty incredible that the wide receiver room had a few injuries with Samuel had to make a trade for Cooper and then he got hurt, Kincaid got hurt , Coleman got hurt and yet Allen still had a MVP season.... And that's with sitting out the last game!!! I said before that Allen obviously took a superstar jump in 2020 but then he took another jump this past year from the pocket. Many of the games including the Seattle game I could swear Josh Allen reminded me of Tom Brady just sitting in the pocket and taking with the defense gave him. There was definitely another level of growth. All that being said, OJ Simpsons 2000 yards in 14 games when everybody knew he was getting the ball is one of the greatest single seasons in all of sports history. Not only that but OJ ran with such a unique style of Grace and speed that has been rarely seen from that position. Outside of Barry Sanders he's probably one of the coolest running backs just to watch play from an eye test standpoint It was almost like OJ was skating or gliding across the football field

Kenneth Grant reminds me of Cortez Kennedy but I fear he won't be there. I'm really warming up to the Boston college de or Golden, the wr from Texas. I like a CB in Rd 2

Exactly. Elway and big Ben, even favre took much more violent hits and more often and played well into their late 30s.... Same with Steve Young and Staubach. This question should be asked of mahomes who is Allen's doppelganger

That is a fair point. He doesn't play up to his athletic abilities and talent consistently. I think a lot of that is he doesn't have a true enforcer at nt next to him tho. But maybe that's where I'm wrong. If he needs that type of upgrade next to him, maybe he's not as talented as I think.... It's a tough question Your point is totally fair. He's too inconsistent. But his flashes are incredible. I just wish we saw it more

None of those guys are better than Oliver. Oliver is as explosive as it gets from a 3 tech archetype. The problem is a formidable NT

I agree generally. Although my faith in this regime has lost momentum with the same issues on defense in the AFC championship. I will say if we add Garrett or Crosby I'll be ecstatic. Simultaneously it's important to not get tunnel vision on a big trade when this draft is loaded in dline all across the top 120 picks. It could be a greater move to keep all our picks, and use free agency to fill out our needs. It does feel like if we do make a big trade it has the feeling of 2 steps forward 1 step back...

This draft is loaded in rbs and davis is really good imo. Ty Johnson and Allen have a connection too. Trade him for picks and take a RB like Devin Neal in Rd 4

Can you link this? I don't see this anywhere bro

Not happening

I think it's much more historical. This could be a Jerry West vs Bill Russell situation. Only difference is it's in the same conference It's completely possible Allen vs mahomes happens 5-7 more times in the next 10-12 years

Yup I agree