90sBills

Ok everybody calmed down yet?

Ugly start so far but they’ll come back. No doubt.

KC has the best chance according to Vegas to represent the AFC in the Superbowl at +235. They also have the best chance to win the Superbowl at +450. These are current odds according to Vegas. I also agree with you that they have the best chance at this time. Things change quickly in the NFL though.

Well…it’s a good thing football is played in the NFL. Otherwise they’d dominate all the 400m races.

Can he throw highlight worthy tantrums on the sideline? If yes I’m all for it!

Bingo! Texans straight up beat them. I watched the whole game because I wanted to see how good the Bengals really are. If Stroud didn’t throw one of the worse interceptions of the season they would’ve likely won by double digits. All credit to them for beating an opponent that the Bills couldn’t even contend with the week prior.

I honestly don’t know his stats. Just from watching their games he’s less rb and more qb this year. He’s more poised and makes better throws than his first few years. My eyes says he has improved as a qb.

Yeah they’ll be there at the end for sure. Just depends on Lamar’s playoffs performance. He looks different in a good way this year. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Balt vs KC in the AFCCG.

They beat the two common opponents that Bills couldn’t (Jets and Jax). So I don’t see how they’ve struggled as much as the Bills have. Their offense is not as formidable as years past but that defense will win them a lot of games. So in a muddled AFC they’re not overrated. No one is saying they will cruise to the Superbowl. But they have the best chance of all the AFC teams as of right now.

Well they can’t play up to their competition (Bengals and Jax) so maybe they’re just on par with the lower competition.

That’s very true. But there are levels to this and Bills are currently towards the bottom of that spectrum. I still think they can make hay. I just dropped 500 on them to make the playoffs. Great value right now!

Define ‘fine’ Fine as in they’ll make the playoffs? Absolutely! Fine as in they’ll make the Superbowl? Not likely with what’s happening with the team currently. Or get cold and loses to teams like NE.

Oh absolutely! Bills should win by double digits tonight. Next week will probably be a low scoring grinder like you said. But they have to beat the Jets after what happened in week 1. If they lose either tonight or next week I don’t want to hear how this year’s Bills is elite.

True on all points! What’s also true is beating the Broncos won’t change anything. Take care of business tonight and next week. Their next real test is Philly.

Nothing will change tonight. They can’t afford to lose another game they should win. They can’t lose this game or next week’s game if they’re going to do anything this year of significance.

Exuberant and negative at the same time! Drugs must be working…

Not sure Philly is better. Same narrative going into last Superbowl.

Getting to 7-4 should be a given. But so was beaten NE so who knows.

Players do too

Speaking of cringe

Agreed on both these points.

More speed offense would definitely help. Allen can also help out the playmakers with better ball placements. Often time his placements leave receivers unable to make significant moves after catching the ball. His accuracy has taken a step back so far this season. Maybe it’s the shoulder. I do agree he has the game to win a title. He and the team need to put it all together one year. Unfortunately, it’s looking more and more like this isn’t the year.

You can find comments like ‘he should go scorched Earth’, ‘put the team on his back, and ‘will this team to victory’ all through this forum about Allen. Why do you think people have views like these? It’s because elite QBs are able to do these things. Allen has shown he can do this but not at a level that’s needed to elevate the Bills to where they want to be. At least not yet anyway. You always make it seem like the organization is not doing anything to help him be successful. Are there mistakes made by management relative to player personnel? Absolutely. Could the play design be better? Absolutely. Could Allen play better to pull his team out of tough situations and win? Also absolutely. My point was regarding people saying Allen has the highest ceiling among all NFL quarterbacks. Highest ceiling has to include team success in addition to making the toughest throws. Sometimes these two go hand in hand. Other times team success requires the safe throws and not the toughest throws. Mahomes and Burrow has figured this out. Allen hasn’t and that’s holding him and the team back.

The metric isn’t just winning the Superbowl. It’s showing the tenacity to get your teams wins when the odds are stacked against you in the biggest of games. Burrow hasn’t had massive playoffs stats but he doesn’t make the mistakes that could kill his team outside of last year’s AFCCG. He, at the very least, have gotten over the hump to get to the big game. Like it or not, QBs success are tied to teams’ success. Last season was Allen’s chance to show that he could do that too. At home against an opponent that everyone said was better than you. Then he came out and showed no fight whatsoever. Even in their postgame interactions you can tell Burrow doesn’t consider Allen his rival. You asked who? At this point it’s clearly Mahomes and Burrow. They’re this generation’s version of Brady/Manning. I thought it could’ve been Mahomes and Allen. But since the 13 sec game something had happened to Allen. He has regressed in terms of getting the team (and himself) to another level. As to your first statement…yes there is a gigantic drop off from Mahomes to the next qb. Burrow is closing that gap. Allen is widening that gap.

What are your metrics for ‘highest ceiling’? Mine would have to include wins in the most crucial games. Wins to secure #1 overall seeding, wins to advance to the Superbowl etc. Using this guideline he does not have the highest ceiling. He’s a very good qb that may eventually be successful at the highest of levels. But, more and more, we’re seeing his low floor holding him and the team back.