Joe Ferguson forever

you wanna date my first quote. at the time there wasn't. Science is not static...

Risking some thumbs down but give it a try. Cool bass line, great harmonies and funky in its own way

Dude, that could happen to 1000's of families and not disrupt the overwhelming population data to the contrary

"The vaccine stops covid dead in its tracks. Those that have partaken cannot get infected nor transmit." Now that's just sadly dishonest. and it's called....wait for it...what's that fallacy called again?

breakthrough infection is not equal to "the vaccine neither prevents infection nor transmission". Not even remotely. Try harder. This is embarrassing.

link(s)? I've not seen this definitively stated by anyone but the fools here. Almost nothing about Covid was settled science when it was raging. And much still isn't.

Here’s mine https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o298 now show me yours

We, in the collective sense of scientists and clinicians, read it and overwhelmingly rejected it, noting it was funded by a libertarian extremist think tank and the science was at best, dubious https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Barrington_Declaration The declaration was sponsored by the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER), a libertarian free market think tank based in Great Barrington, Massachusetts.[39][40] AIER has published controversial studies with dubious conclusions, such as downplaying the risks of climate change,[15][41] and arguing that sweatshops are beneficial to their workers.[42][43] Byline Times journalist Nafeez Ahmed has described the AIER as an "institution embedded in a Koch-funded network that denies climate science while investing in polluting fossil fuel industries".[15] Signatories While the authors' website claims that over 14,000 scientists, 40,000 medical practitioners, and more than 800,000 members of the public signed the declaration,[44][45] this list—which anyone could sign online and which required merely clicking a checkbox to claim the status of "scientist"—contains some evidently-fake names, including: "Mr Banana Rama", "Harold Shipman", and "Prof Cominic Dummings".[46][47][48] More than 100 psychotherapists, numerous homeopaths, physiotherapists, massage therapists, and other non-relevant people were found to be signatories, including a performer of Khoomei—a Mongolian style of overtone singing—described as a "therapeutic sound practitioner".[47] An article in The Independent reported that the false signatures put claims about the breadth of support in doubt.[48] Bhattacharya responded by saying that the authors "did not have the resources to audit each signature," and that people had "abused our trust" by adding fake names.[48]

The R party is becoming grumpier and less educated https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/31/us/politics/2024-poll-nyt-siena-trump-republicans.html Increasingly on the trail, Mr. DeSantis is calling attention to his “blue-collar” roots and his decision to serve in the military as reasons voters should support him as he runs against a self-professed billionaire. But the poll showed Mr. Trump lapping Mr. DeSantis among likely Republican primary voters earning less than $50,000, 65 percent to 9 percent. As of now, Mr. DeSantis’s few demographic refuges — places where he is losing by smaller margins — are more upscale pockets of the electorate. He trailed Mr. Trump by a less daunting 12 points among white voters with college degrees, 37 to 25 percent. Among those earning more than $100,000, Mr. DeSantis was behind by 23 points, half the deficit he faced among the lowest earners. 37% of college educated R's support trump in this poll....

Rarely settled. I stand by that quote. I'm not the one on this board rthat pushed unproven treatments based on limited, poorly done studies. In fact, I said just the opposite...

Have you read the package insert for the vaxes? No actual expert ever claimed 100% effectiveness and recs were very similar to what you said. remember when the vax was in short supply. The groups you mentioned and health care workers were the only ones who could get the vax. good. so they know science when it bites them in the ass...they should school you....what you describe is anecdote, not useless but not particularly useful especially when massive amounts of actual data is available

I'll take the opinion of those enlisted to give diplomas and publish papers over some random internet "expert". Less deaths=contraction, non? weren't less deaths at least part of the goal of "contraction" as you call it? Wouldn't less deaths have been a good outcome?

here's another very salient link with raw data comparing deaths in different age groups for vaxed vs unvaxed but no doubt, you will refuse to accept the numbers https://data.cdc.gov/Public-Health-Surveillance/Rates-of-COVID-19-Cases-or-Deaths-by-Age-Group-and/3rge-nu2a/data Why do you MAGA's hate science and data ? My guess is because you don't understand it, are untrained in it and see it as "elite". That, or you really don't care about truth or your fellow man.

kids died from covid too. And certainly acted as vectors for the virus. you do to see excess deaths from the unvaxed. not a stupid internet link. It's SCIENCE. rarely settled but still extremely useful and the best we got. Here, try some, 232000 at least.... https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37093505/

It's ok here. probably not if you're defending a doc in court! Have heard it and taught it a hundred times or more. Any real doc will recognize it immediately... excess deaths: at least 232,000 in the US https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37093505/

when did that happen? link? meanwhile I'll search for models with estimates of unnecessary deaths because of the stupid, selfish people.

yes, remember how quickly a safe and effective vaccine was developed and later an oral treatment. Remember that ARD's was quickly observed to be a leading mechanism of death by the virus and that prone positioning and steroids helped saved lives. I could go on but why waste the time. Remember that that thirst to heal led to the deaths of many health care workers... who said that in regards to Covid...x of course, all knowing, all seeing Doc.

great quote...and of course, we are all taught just the opposite excepting academic centers where zebras are more prevalent. I find it very strange that Doc won't read the linked article. Unquenchable thirst for knowledge is a near prerequisite for med school and later for practice. Maybe he had it and lost it. Maybe he never had it. Maybe he's an MD. Maybe not. Doesn't really matter x for the misrepresentation of credentials/training if not. Perhaps I'm cynical and overly skeptical but MAGA's and their leaders have often been proven dishonest.

This isn’t medical knowledge. This is a small amount of news knowledge. Btw, anesthesiologists are not known as experts in infectious disease but they know the basics. You don’t seem to

No, he’s shown his legal chops while you’ve shown your medical ignorance. Not the same at all. One is pathetic and the other is not

Can't blame her fiancé from wanting another early morning go. Smart and hot. Maybe we can recruit her from the dark side. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/4127935-nancy-mace-says-biden-impeachment-talk-puts-house-gop-majority-at-risk/ “I will tell you, every time we walk the plank, we are putting moderate members, members [in Biden-won districts]. We are putting those seats at risk for 2024. We are putting the majority at risk. And it’s not just impeachment that does that. Other issues, like abortion, et cetera, also put those members on the plank,” Mace continued.

https://deadline.com/2023/07/sarah-silverman-interim-sag-aftra-agreements-movies-stars-strike-1235450719/

how dumb are trump donors? paying the legal bills of a billionaire. pretty f'in dumb. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-legal-fees-balloon-as-prosecutors-ask-about-possible-conflicts/ar-AA1ex8Of https://dnyuz.com/2023/07/29/60-million-refund-request-shows-financial-pressure-on-trump-from-legal-fees/

sure. The anesthesiologist (and his wife) that we went out with last week wouldn't have been able to pull out a phone or PC in the OR, ever. He is hilarious tho and brilliant. His overhead pages were so funny that the hospital got rid of the ability to do them over the phone. He wrote something rude on my chest in recovery once after an ACL repair. But a message board with 57.5 k posts? absolutely impossible.

I had a junior pass. My dad would drop me off on his way to work and pick me up after. Lots of other kids to play with and have putting competitions.