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I think there’s an argument there. to me, I’d make it an open competition. I’m not convinced Dorian wins that. Regardless, he will probably get a ton of chances to play, sadly.

Feel like we’ve kinda lost the plot in here. There’s more posts complaining about speculation and over-reaction than posts ACTUALLY speculating and over-reacting. Also, even if that wasn’t the case, isn’t following along with tweets and reports from camp, and following the rising and falling of players’ performances, part of the fun of being a fan? If you don’t care about what happens in camp or think it’s a waste of time to comment or speculate or whatever, I fear you’ve lost your love of the game. And I personally hope you find it. It’s just for fun and entertainment.

The problem with serial abusers is that in a lot of cases, they can turn on the charm and elicit that response.

Yeah it’s by design. IMO. They targeted Keon, Palmer, and Mack to all play on the boundary. I think Shakir at this point has proven to be a better WR than all 3 of them. I think the Bills and everyone would agree with that assessment. so then the question is, why are all 3 of those guys playing on the boundary while Shakir is stuck in the slot? And the answer is because the coaching staff believes those, for lack of a better word, worse, WRs are better contributors on the boundary than Shakir.

I see CB2 as Hairston’s to lose. If he doesn’t win it and hang onto it immediately, I will start get Elam flashbacks. the battle for CB4 is between Dane and Tre. I think Tre may win that by virtue of still hoping he has some old form left in the tank. Cam Lewis’ ability to play ST and multiple positions probably saves his roster spot again this year. Hamlin will somehow win the starting FS spot. Bishop will be competing with Rapp for SS and some big nickel packages.

I think Benford should have gotten a mention or a vote but I also don’t think he’s elite yet. I don’t really buy that he’s elite and completely under the radar either because of scheme or because it’s Buffalo. Peak Tre White was second in DROY voting and a 2 time All Pro here. I think Benford is a rung or two below that, personally.

He hasn’t been given the opportunity because his own coaches genuinely don’t believe he can play outside. They have acquired a fair amount of boundary WRs over the past 2 seasons to keep Shakir out of there.

We have 18 years to think of a good one based on this chart

Pro personnel I will give Whaley, but not draft. Whaley had an actual gift for identifying league talent. Richie, Lorax, Corey Graham, Zach Brown etc etc. He probably found as many impactful FAs in 3 years as Beane did in like 7. he sucked in the draft because in part, imo, coming from Pittsburgh’s strong football culture, they got a lot of mileage on dudes with questionable character. Those same guys coming to cultureless Buffalo is a lot harder to make work. He is also a crummy exec and is a little bit of a snake. I don’t believe he had no part in how leaky the FO was in that era.

Dorian got 200+ snaps playing defense two years ago. hes not going into year 2, he’s going into year 3. and just like year 1, he was spinning like a top out there on misdirections. He never saw a play fake that he didn’t want to bite on. He is running out of “he needs to practice more” time. Can’t agree with the Matt Milano take. Milano could never play another down and still be a HR pick (by McD, not Beane.) a handful of seasons at all pro level at any position for a fifth round pick is a gigantic W,

I don’t know what you are trying to say here. i think most unbiased folks would agree that Lamar has better touch on deep passes, which is the point you tried to dispute. And that has nothing to do with advanced stats or completion percentage. and that also has nothing to do with who is the best QB. Brady famously had just average arm strength. It would be just wrong to say he had the best arm in football because he was the best.

Meh, a lot of those same experts “recognized” the Bills were gonna take a significant step back last year and maybe even lose the division. Outside of a few select folks, most of the media is complete superficial analysis.

It’s nice for the Bills to get shine but how many Bills do you think a joke like Cowherd can name off the top of his head?

Not all big time throws are deep throws. i don’t think it’s unfair to say that Lamar has a bit better deep ball touch.

More name than game All Star. A lot of hyper-athletic freaks at TE never seem to pan out. Pitts, Howard, Fant etc etc. Bowers may break a bad streak that’s lasted for quite awhile.

Yes, but he’s also the odds on favorite to be benched mid season of the starting 5 as well tbh.

The supposed story was the pats were in on Coleman at 34 and traded back after we took him

Maybe I suppose. I think there is a clearer tier above Dawkins moreso than Brown though.

Top 5 is based on talent available though. For running back, is everyone in the top 5 a superstar? Barkley and Henry are. CMC when healthy. Then there’s a sizable drop off imo. With WR, I think the superstar list extends past 10. A better way, imo, is if you were an FA today, would you be in “near top of the market” money. Brown would be. Dawkins would not.

I don’t think anyone in that org has a gun to their head tbh. The Steelers play meaningful football every year. Whether they have a real chance of winning a Super Bowl is debateable, but they are always in the mix. The Bills and Chiefs both found their franchise QBs being WC playoff teams. I think tanking is supremely overrated and Steelers ownership wants none of that. The bigger sin in Pittsburgh since Ben retired was NEVER taking a big shot on a QB. And if this Rodgers plan succeeds or fails, I imagine they will be forced to.

Bigger problem with perception of AJE is that we have had a massive need at EDGE rusher his whole career here. If Rousseau was a double digit sack guy, the fan perception of AJE changes into “solid second round pick” imo. But because we have never really had a very good EDGE rusher during both of their tenures, they both feel underwhelming. It’s why fan expectations for Keon Coleman are so lofty. We need a very good weapon on the boundary ASAP. If he’s just an okay pro, like a Gabe Davis, he will be viewed as a disappointment. Whereas Gabe was seen as a pretty successful pick (I know 4th vs 2nd but I think even if Gabe was a second rounder folks would think he was a good pick.) It’s sorta like if you really need a QB and you take one middle of the second vs 1st overall. The expectation/desire is going to be “eventual franchise QB.”

I can’t think of a worse comp for Palmer than Tyler Boyd. Boyd was a slot predominant guy who had 2 1000 yard seasons in his first 4 years. Palmer is a boundary WR with like half the production.

It does. i think the corollary is how many those second rounders actually deserve to be on the roster for 4 years? Meaning, if we kept Boogie and Ford as depth for an extra year rather than dumping them for peanuts, does it really matter or make a difference. Everyone’s definition of bust vs hit is so different. Is AJE a disappointment or is he a hit because he got a very modest second contract in Buffalo? I think like anything else, analysis has to be pretty clear across the league to make meaningful comparisons

You have that backwards. 25% don’t see the full four years.

FWIW, Kirby did specifically say “same salary.” I took the “WR draft” angle as 32 teams with zero WRs and not factoring in dynasty/age. Which basically to me is “who are the most valuable WRs to GMs in 2025, ignoring age/price point.” If you are taking age and price point into account, I think I agree lol.