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Hold on.... In the last 500 posts of this thread - that is going back 6 months - I have posted a total of 14 times in this thread. But you? You have posted 17 times in that same period. You have posted more than me in this thread in the past 6 months! If you think I am 'crusading', then you must be leading an entire holy war.

I do!? I have half the amount of posts in this thread as the leading poster, and only 60% of the second most. Can you tell us about all the leading edge technology? Is it the grass field with grow lights that Green Bay and others have been using for decades? Is it the fact that we are installing the same radiant heating technology that is in the current stadium and was installed over a decade ago? Is it the canopy that is a lesser copy of Tottenham’s almost decade old design? Is it the snow melt system that was copied from the Vikings who built theirs a decade ago? (ours will be bigger/more advanced though) From what I have seen and read, we are installing features that have been in other stadiums for decades and calling it ‘leading edge’ because it’s new to us. If we have genuine innovation in this stadium then that is awesome, but everything I have seen is a copy of old-ish technology that is borrowed from other stadiums who have had it for a while. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So if you think it looks modern and cool, that’s great! Personally, I think it looks old and boring. Someone else mentioned that it looks old because it’s based on Tottenham - which was designed almost a decade ago. So it’s already based on an older design. I thought that was a good point.

You're a better man than me for responding to that

Oh if we are talking about the play call itself, I agree with you. Brady has sucked twice in the playoffs against the Chiefs. I am talking about Allen only.

This is what it comes down to. For both Doc and Bill.

That logic would make sense if our struggles came from just being bad at running it. But if the real reason we struggled was because defenses were taking that area away — and now you’re in a game where the defense is leaving that area wide open… Then you absolutely take it.

Wow, you really didn’t understand that post you just quoted. We are *not* awful at throwing to the middle of the field. As that post shows in detail, the middle of the field stats look bad for most great offenses because: 1) Cover 2 forces you to throw elsewhere 2) The few times (literally about 10 times per season on average) we throw there, it’s often a deep throwaway or hail mary. It’s not that teams can’t throw there. It’s that, most of the time, the defense takes that middle away. But if they don’t, you definitely want to take it - especially in the endzone. Long story short: Youre making a faulty comparison. You’re thinking “bad stats = bad at throwing there”. But that’s not the case in this situation.

Yes. That is correct. And that is what you should do IF there is not a WR wide open in the endzone. Had Shakir not been open, I would agree with you - hit Diggs. Or scramble. But Shakir WAS open. And you take the TD when you have a WR open. Just because a certain scheme is meant to take something away, doesnt mean it works every play. One would only feel that way if they don't understand what I am writing.

Nice try As a general rule, yes, throwing deep middle seams against Cover 2 is tough. But that is because the defense is designed to stop it. However, if the defense messes up, YOU TAKE IT. Just like, as a general rule, running against a stacked box is difficult. But what if 2 defenders fall down? Should the running back NOT take that hole and go for it? Of of course they should. The Chiefs lost Shakir. It was a touchdown had Allen not been hit.

I refuse to entertain your trolling. You know what I and others are saying and you are purposefully attempting to twist it. You read what Simon said. You also read what I have said (unless your responding without actually reading which is worse). Yet instead of responding to what we write, you simply regurgitate the same point without any additional nuance or clarification. I don't know why you are acting like this, because in general you haven't done this. But today, you are trolling for some reason. Its bad enough when our own fans do it, but downright miserable when a Chiefs fan does it. Its not interesting and I can only assume that if you keep it up, sooner or later, you will be tossed.

No. Which is why you see the same exact thing in other great offenses. Read below... Nothing to do with personnel - its how defenses are playing us and other good offenses. After the 2020 season, defenses across the league began playing more and more Cover 2 against great offenses like the Bills and Chiefs. The goal was to take away the deep passes and intermediate crossers (Daboll loved these). The goal was to force offenses to go on methodical drives. Because Cover 2 takes away the deep pass (especially the middle intermediate where the 2 safeties have converging zones), great offenses barely ever throw there anymore. This means that most of the intermediate/deep middle throws are throwaways and improbable heaves. But if you dont know the context behind the stats, its easy to be confused. For example, Doc Brown (because he doesn't know any better) thought this was an Allen issue. It's not. Its just how teams are playing great offenses. Example: Here is Mahomes throwing to the middle of the field. 11.3 rating. And here is Hurts with a 8.3 rating. And here is Goff And here is Allen So... yeah. The deep middle argument is nonsense. But if you don't know the context of the stats you're seeing, you may think its something wrong with Josh. it's not.

Alright, yep, he has gone into full trolling mode.

Wow that perfectly describes what I said. Guess i’ll just post what I already wrote: Well, duh. It would be expected to be low because that stat is counting any pass from 20 to 100(!!!) yards in length lol. OF COURSE the 50, 60, 70, 80 yard heaves are going to drag the percentage down. And because defenses play a lot of Cover 2 against the Bills and Chiefs and all good offenses, the middle of the field is rarely ever open so the data set is slim. All those 50, 60, 70 yard heaves down field when under pressure and are basically throwaways? Those count. But the typical 25-30 yard lasers across the hash? Closer to the 60% mark. 🤦‍♂️ But sure, let's pretend that a pass that landed within 5 feet of Shakir would have had very little chance of being caught if Allen wasnt hit lol.

Well, duh. It would be expected to be low because that stat is counting any pass from 20 to 100(!!!) yards in length lol. OF COURSE the 50, 60, 70, 80 yard heaves are going to drag the percentage down. And because defenses play a lot of Cover 2 against the Bills and Chiefs and all good offenses, the middle of the field is rarely ever open so the data set is slim. All those 50, 60, 70 yard heaves down field when under pressure and are basically throwaways? Those count. But the typical 25-30 yard lasers across the hash? Closer to the 60% mark. 🤦‍♂️ But sure, let's pretend that a pass that landed within 5 feet of Shakir would have had very little chance of being caught if Allen wasnt hit lol.

I think it’s a good question, but I also think it’s important to remember that whenever we answer questions like this, we should take into account what is theoretically possible for a player to do better and seperate it from what is actually probable, in a game situation, for a player to do better. Some posters, for example, want to defy physics to make a suggestion for what a player should have done differently. Others simply ignore fatigue on what is possible for a player to do late in a game. Anyway, I think you could make the argument that if he took one more step backwards in his dropback (or readjusted one step back after), he gets the throw off. But then we have to ask ourselves - what are we really doing by making these suggestions? And the undeniable answer is that we are clawing to find ways to cast blame on anyone other than the person at fault, Dion Dawkins. Dawkins got blown up. That is what happened. All the nuanced takes of what Allen could have done with a step in this or that direction is simply deflection from the fact that Dawkins got blown up. Also, as I mentioned in a previous post that you may not have seen because it is a couple pages back now, Josh could’ve decided to throw to Diggs and just take the first down. But I will never ever blame a player for going end zone in that situation. It was the right decision. Mathematically it is 100% the right decision.

There was no sliding in the pocket. You can try to make that argument until the cows come home but it won’t ever be the truth. Allen could have completely bailed the pocket and ran right, but then he would have had zero chance at hitting Shakir or Diggs. It would have just been a QB run. But sliding? … no. Any upward movement that wasn’t a complete sprint out of the pocket would have resulted in Jones sacking him. Jones was just waiting for Allen to try that. For goodness sake, that is the entire purpose of a bull-rush. You either disrupt the passer by knocking the linemen into him, or you disengage the lineman (who can’t see behind him) and sack the QB when the QB tries to step up. I don’t know why you’re trying to pretend like these are viable options. I never pegged you as a troll before and am hoping you aren’t becoming one, but I have a hard time believing if Mahomes had picked the wide open TD and his LT ruined the play that you would be finding any blame in Mahomes.

Uh, have you seen Josh Allen play football? 😜 He almost got it to Shakir even *while being hit!* That’s a touchdown if Dawkins didn’t lose the rep. It also wasn’t a tight window at all. Shakir was wide freaking open. The closest defender was 5 yards away.

This is called outcome bias and is an easy (and wrong) trap to fall into. Had Josh thrown to Diggs and Diggs fumbles the ball, you could say “why didn’t Allen throw to a wide open Shakir?”. If Josh scrambles right, and tears his ACL, one can question “why didn’t he throw to diggs or shakir in the endzone?”. Josh made the right decision. You ALWAYS go endzone if the endzone is open because you don’t know what will happen after that if you take the shorter play. Mathematically, endzone will always be the right call due to the unknown. At a clip of 6 yards per play, we need 4 more plays to get into the endzone at a success rate/completion of (0.8) and not turn the ball over at (0.95). Combined chance per play = 0.8 × 0.95 = 0.76. You need 4 successful plays: 0.76⁴ = 0.333 or 33.3%. Reduced odds over one play touchdown. It was the right call. People can argue this (wrongly) until cows come home but Allen made the right decision. It is not his fault that Dawkins got manhandled.

It wasn’t low percentage at all. Had Dawkins now been dog-walked, it would have been a nearly 100% chance of TD (Shakir’s catch % was over 90% at this point). PS, doing something else (like hitting Diggs for a 10 yard slant) or scrambling right is what is truly the low percentage TD pass. 0% actually.

Yes this is the same “he should have done something else” argument that has been refuted a thousand times. He did have room to scramble right. But this, as has been said before, is 1000% the wrong move. You take the TD. Every. Single. Time. You don’t take a 7 yard scramble to the right over a TD. The next play could be a fumble, INT, fluke snap, whatever. You take the TD 100 times out of 100. Bending and twisting every facet of this play to excuse Dawkins getting manhandled is a joke. This is absolute nonsense. Had Josh slid up into the pocket, Jones sacks him. Period. End of story. Literally zero question. You *NEVER* slide up into a bull rush. That is QB-ing 101. Chris Jones would have LOVED for Allen to slide up into that pocket.

Only about 50 times since it has happened form every angle available. Now you're moving the goalposts into an entirely different argument. Another losing one mind you, but the more popular one of "he should have thrown to Diggs". Allen 1000% made the right decision to throw to Shakir. He knew Shakir would be open for the TD and he went for it. He made the right decision and threw the right pass. You never pass up a TD because you don't know what will happen the next play or any play after that. Fumbles, flukes, etc. You take the TD. No it was 100% on Dion. Allen holds zero blame. Your original suggestion of Allen moving up into the pocket would have led to a guaranteed sack and is something you *never* do against a bull-rush. And shifting the line against a 4 man uniform front with a defender motioning a potential blitz on the opposite makes me question your understanding of the game.

What in the world!? You wanted Allen to slide protection against a 4 man rush and a uniform defensive front with a blitzer threatening on the opposite side!? And you wanted Allen to step up into the pocket, which would have hastened him being hit by Jones? QB's step up in the pocket to avoid pass rushers coming on the backside. Not pass rushers bull rushing. If Allen steps up, Jones swims inside and blasts Allen into the turf There is one person to blame on that play and his name rhymes with Peion Pawkins. Maybe an honorable mention to Shakir route running taking a tad longer than it should have.

You're right. Thanks for the reminder I just edited the post.

The poster I was responding to was talking about the NFL’s revenue - not their profit. Accordingly, my comparison was to Walmart’s revenue - not profit. After all, it would not make sense to compare the NFL’s revenue to Walmarts profit - would it? Walmart made a revenue of over $600 billion last year. You looked up the profit, not revenue. Problem is, no-one in this thread walk talking about profit… we were all talking about revenue. If you are going to call someone out in such a condescending way, you should triple check that you know what you are talking about before doing so.