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Again, this is one of those myths that fans heard once and now can’t let go of. It’s not true. Studies have been done on this. We don’t have to guess anymore. Let’s take a look Sean Clements (a data analyst an NFL team), conducted a study a few years ago. He found that establishing the run does not affect the passing game, or vice versa. The boxplot shows little correlation between volume running and an increase of success passing. In other words, running the ball does not keep the defense “honest”. We also have Ben Baldwin, the economist who runs a lot of football numbers on Twitter, who showed that expected points on offensive DECREASES as the number of rushing attempts increases. Contrary to the belief running the ball will help to set up the pass and score. Conclusion: What you believe is a myth. You’re that 84 year old grandpa that everyone rolls their eyes at because he keeps saying the team needs to bring back the old single wing formation. Figured out? The offense is #1 in yards and #2 in points. 2 of the 3 losses featured an offense that had over 480 yards in the game. It is ludicrous to say the offense is figured out. They are struggling in the redzone which is the true problem. The Chiefs, Bengals, Vikings and Chargers all run the ball less than we do. This chart shows rushing attempts.

You do realize that other corners have come back in much less time?

Are you trying to make the point that other coaches make bad decisions too? Because I never said they didn’t.

This is one of those myths that fans can’t stop believing. Like those who still think you need to run to have a good play-action attack.

It’s not unrealistic when other NFL players who were injured at the same time as him are already playing. One of them was injured a couple weeks before Tre and he started the first game of the season! Two months ago!

Even those numbers are better odds than running. We will have to agree to disagree on this. The Bills could run 50 times per game and they wouldn’t be any better at it.

Same.

Yeah the play call was not the problem on that particular play.

Yeah i’m getting a lot less people making fun of me for having these opinions now than a few weeks ago. The supporters are dwindling.

No - because 63% of Allen’s dropbacks don’t end in a sack or incompletion. He’s throwing what? 67% for the year? That means there is only a “stuff” (to compare it to the run game) on 33% or so of his pass attempts. Compare that to being stuffed in the run game 63% of the time in the second half. What is more appealing to you - succeeding 67% of the time or failing 63% of the time? You mentioned 3rd and 1. Do you know Singletaries yards per carry on 3rd and 3 or less for the season? 0.7 yards per carry. Less than 1 yard per carry. When you include 2nd AND 3rd down with 3 or less yards to go, his ypc is 1.9 ypc. We are simply not a good running team you. You can call run plays until the cows come home and that’s not going to change.

Yes - when you are getting stuffed 63% of the time, it is a wasted time. The Bills averaged 6.8 yards per play on Sunday. Every time they got stuffed (which was 63% of the time in the second half), they were losing 6.8 yards per play (on an average basis).

What you’re advocating for is to waste downs in the hope that we eventually break a run. That’s just not efficient in my opinion.

I just mentioned this in another thread, but our run blocking is so bad that running the ball is often a waste of a down. We ran the ball 8 times in the second half and 5 of those 8 runs went for 1 yard or less. You can’t put your offense into 3rd and long over and over just because you want to “commit” to the run. I like a good lasagna but I know my wife is not good at making it. She has tried many many times over the past decade. I have no interest in wasting more dinners on lasagna when she cooks other things well.

Dorsey called 8 runs in the second half. 5 of the 8 went for 1 yard or less. You can’t just keep running into brick walls. You’re wasting a down.

That pass so underthrown that it has me wondering whether the UCL is bothering him more than they’re letting on. Carson Palmer said that with his UCL injury, 2 of every 3 passes were normal, but that 3rd pass, it was like it was shot out of the sky - absolutely no velocity on it. That play reminded me of Palmers comments. That pass was not even close to being completed. He underthew that by a good 5 yards.

Florio always points out that NFL network is the nfl’s mouth piece. Wonder if the Bills leaked some info to them.

Rick Dennison likes your way of thinking.

Context though. Should you go for fourth down if your 3rd string QB is in? No. Why? Context. When the offense is humming, go for it. When your QB is struggling, don’t. Its tough to argue that we win if we kick the field goal. The Vikings got the ball 2 more times in regulation and they scored 2 more touchdowns. They couldn’t have scored more than they did, possession wise. They maxed out on possessions. They would have had to convert both two points conversions just to get it to a tie (assuming we still get that extra Bass field goal).

I don’t mind the lack of running calls. In the 3rd and 4th quarter we ran the ball 8 times. We gained 1 yard or less on 5 of those 8 rush attempts. How many more times should we have wasted a down trying to run the ball? But yeah that QB sneak out of the endzone was just awful.

Wow. All of that points to a lack of leadership. I still can’t believe McDermott didn’t provide answers to the players after that playoff debacle. It’s inconceivable.

Hmm. Perhaps I need to watch it again. At first glance it looked like the play would not have worked even if Saffold did his job.

I mentioned this a few times in the game day thread. Calling more run plays does not automatically equal run success. We simply are not a good run blocking team. Calling 10 more run plays is likely to produce 8 more plays of what you posted. Saffold loses leverage immediately but i’m far more concerned about Morse & Bates double teaming a d-linemen and STILL losing the rep. That’s horrendous. .

Sigh.

I said he might have gotten the first, but it’s definitely not a given. The defender is closer to the marker than Duke is. It would have been close. And that’s assuming Duke makes the catch after the defender pops him. Cook dropped a very similar pass last week due to being hit as he was catching it.

Yeah that wasn’t on Gabe at all. Allen just threw a bad ball.