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Agreed. I think is likely our weakest roster since 2020.

The funniest thing they did was give that presentation to all of their employees telling them that they need to increase their productivity so that the Pegula's billionaire lifestyle didn't take any hits.

Yeah, I don't think Pegula cares about that. In fact, his wife loves that tailgating atmosphere. What they want from raising prices is MONEY.

I accept your bet. I don't see why any Marriot or Hilton would build in OP because of 8 days of business per year. It is simply not how business decisions are made. Especially with the Hamptons flanking the area in Hamburg and East Aurora, but never full (non-stop vacancies).

You haven't been to a Cleveland, have you? There was a recent story about a Cleveland tailgater in the hospital due to jumping off of a tailgate bus. And there was a massive brawl that became national news at a Cleveland tailgate a year or two ago.

I'm not sure what you mean. I don't own seasons anymore and am not interested in them. You stated that you are looking forward to hotels and restaurants and bars and I was letting you know that there is nothing that hints at this happening. No large chain will build based off 8 days of business a year. Not sure why even a local restaurant would build there for 8 days of business. It makes no fiscal sense, which probably explains why we see no permits being pulled around the stadium for any of these. Ps, the Cleveland Browns stadium is still very blue collar and tailgates similarly to Buffalo.

There will be new business in general. There has been new businesses in Orchard Park every year for the past three decades. However, no large hotel chain or business is building in OP because of 8 days of crowds per year.

Hate to break it to you, but you aren't going to get hotels, bars and restaurants. No permits pulled for any of these. Unless you mean the nachos you'll get at the bars inside the stadium. Unfortunately, your family past time of eating food and laying down in bed will have to take place elsewhere.

I missed this post. Who said this?

That’s what an option route is. He saw the leverage and the defender and made a choice.

Can you give some more information on the features that will make the new stadium better? I know there will be views of the field from the indoor club, which is nice.

The indoor club seats did. Guess they changed it.

PSL's are an absolute SCAM. In every city, but especially Buffalo. At least if you are in LA or Dallas or NYC, you can theoretically justify spreading the expense among other events. Concerts, college games, monster truck rally's, whatever. In Buffalo, it's just the Bills. There is no apple-to-apple comparison to other cities that have PSL's. You are paying an extra $5k, $10k, $15k, $20k, for absolutely NOTHING more than you were receiving with the price of a single ticket before. AND it makes wayyyyy more sense in a situation like the Rams or Chargers or Patriots or Jets or Giants or Carolina where the owner(s) footed the entire bill. But here, in Western New York, the FANS footed more than half the bill AND then have to pay for PSL's. It's insane. Absolutely insane.

Thanks for the explanation. It was my fault. You wrote "East club PSL is $20k/seat" and my brain read it as "Each club PSL is $20k/seat". Aka, I thought you were saying all the clubs had a PSL of $20k/seat. I should have kept reading.

This is an a la carte operation.

We had 9 home games last year (8 in Buffalo) and 8 homes games this year. So it’s equal. https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2024/02/15/bills-season-ticket-prices-increase#:~:text=Bills announce season ticket prices to inc

Not sure why you would find that so hard to believe, unless you haven’t been following ticket prices for a decade. The Bills themselves announced that their tickets were 20% below the league average in 2021. This was BEFORE a 22% increase in prices within the stadium. Just in the past 18 months the Bills have increased tickets by 22%. They went up 12% last offseason (which got us to 15.9% below league average) and they’re going up 10% this offseason (which I think will get us to around 12% below league average). I think your mind is stuck in the mid 2000’s when we were far below league average. The Pegula’s have steadily increased ticket prices. The bargain is gone. We are almost at league average and the new stadium will put us well above league average. https://dolphinstalk.com/2023/12/which-nfl-team-had-the-most-expensive-tickets-in-2023/

Sorry, I thought that was obvious. Its original retail prices (by the team). I wouldn’t post resale prices because that wouldn’t make sense in this context.

It was average ticket prices - each team vs the league average. Ps:

It’s a fact that many fans miss when they make the argument of “We are just catching up to the average ticket sale price”. Not really. We are only 15.9% less than the average NFL tickets. And I believe I read ticket prices are increasing another 10% this year, so that discrepancy is likely going to get smaller. We are not just catching up to the rest of the league - we are almost there. And the new stadium ticket pricing will not just catch us up, it will put us into the top 5/10 for ticket pricing is my hypothesis.

No you are typically allowed to sell you re-sell your PSL. Oftentimes for significantly less than you purchased it for.

So all we need is for the Bills to win 2 Super Bowls? Sign me up for that. Joking aside, that article is from 2017. Of course a PSL will rise in value directly after that. Giants PSL’s are now down significantly as well. You can pick up a PSL for as low as $400 right now.

$40k in an account earning 8~ish% interest over those same 10 years is close to $100k. The smart play here is to let others pay the absurd retail price, and then purchase it from them in a few years for pennies on the dollar. The Jets sold PSL’s for as high as $25,000. Those same PSL’s are selling for $4,500 now. https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/business/meadowlands-matters/2017/02/24/jets-psls-have-proved-bad-investments/98361042/

Not a chance that is true. Bills tickets were only 15.9% cheaper than the league average in 2023. We have seen reports of ticket prices for the new stadium being 70% to 100% higher than the current prices. The new stadium pricing will be top 10 in the NFL without a doubt.

This doesn’t compute. Building a brand new 8,000 square foot house in Buffalo, doesn’t mean that this new house has equal market value to the same large home in California. Or Chicago. Or NYC. etc. Bringing the Bills ticket pricing up to national averages only makes sense if they’re also building the stadium in one of those larger cities that demand such exorbitant ticket prices. But they’re not. They’re charging big city prices, without the big city. The big city prices make sense in those cities because *everything* is more expensive there. It would be akin to being told the apartments in Lackawanna are now $7.5k per month, because the landlord says the previous rent was undervalued compared to Manhattan and LA.