UKBillFan

From a business angle, cutting him was the obvious decision. From a legal standpoint, he's currently innocent until proven guilty, no matter what an attorney, who seems to be losing the plot, posts on Twitter.

The point is not to assume guilt before proven, just as aspersions should not be cast towards the victim either.

This is what I don't get. Why did the lawsuit then quote the alleged victim ask him "Did we actually have sex?". The lawsuit doesn't actually quote Araiza directly in agreeing they did, even consenually. It's very odd phrasing.

In brackets. ALLEGEDLY. 200+ posts on on the other thread, 25 pages on this thread and still it's a case of guilty before being proven innocent.

Then he'll probably be picked up by a team and play as punter.

Don't think we can be sure either way. It was an easy decision as he was a rookie and a punter.

Beane admitted that in the conference - stated it should have really said ‘continuing’.

Though, in turn, that will free up another punter. Knowing us, probably Haack.

He hasn’t played for three years. Still think the best option will be whoever the Titans cut. Bojorquez is with the Browns.

Agreed but not sure if we would have responded in the same way as we have Araiza. No, just that football is a business and no franchise is classier than any others. It’s all about money and winning at the end of the day. The solution with Araiza was easy because of the position he filled.

And if something came up from Josh’s college days, so the exempt list wasn’t an option?

I agree. Can’t believe how close he came to starting against the Panthers after the allegations were made public. But the constant changes of wishes and posts on Twitter which seem to counter what is being claimed, in terms of the civil case, makes me uncomfortable as well.

Oh please. We released Araiza because he was ‘only’ the punter. Do you honestly think we would have cut Josh in the same circumstances?

I’d want more than an apology and a donation to a rape charity. I’d be desperate for justice. And how can he try denying he wasn’t after money when he released texts on Twitter over the last couple of days indicating the opposite?

Just had a look at who we might be able to pick up on waivers on Tuesday and the only real option there is whoever is released between Kern and Stonehouse by the Titans. Otherwise it will be a case of picking up someone via free agency.

I don’t think they would have covered it; they would have gone down the route of “no comment” or “due to legal issues, we do not want to discuss background conversations”. In answering a further question, Beane even went out of his way to stress again that Araiza’s story hadn’t changed. That’s not to say which side is telling the truth, just that Araiza has been consistent with what he told the Bills.

Beane made clear Araiza’s story has not altered at any point. More may come out via a civil or criminal case which reveals he has but, for now, neither said they were lied to by him.

Cynically, did we cut Haack when we did to see if being named as the punter would result in a civil case against Araiza, giving us enough time to sort things out prior to the 53 man cut and additional players available via the waivers if need be?

Oh definitely. 45 yards is a breeze…

Or, as stated elsewhere, they were always going to move on from Haack. Either Araiza would punt or they were happy enough that some of those under free agency/waivers would be an upgrade.

Possibly. They could have held on to both until Tuesday and cut Haack then though; bought some time to see if anything else came out. As you say, perhaps they decided there were enough free agent punters and those who will appear on waivers that we considered ourselves in a better position cutting Haack whatever the outcome with Araiza.

In fairness, most mock drafts had Araiza as the third or fourth punter to go due to doubts surrounding hang time and holding.

The only misstep for me is cutting Haack over Araiza. If they knew this was hanging over the latter, why cut the former when they did?

Beane said Araiza’s story has not changed at any point, so he was as open at the start as he was at the last.

Just to verify - Beane confirmed Araiza’s story has not changed from the first time he asked for it to the last.