Bob in STL

I think he said "I'm not looking for the best players, I'm looking for the best TEAM". So what have they done? Cut a few players, pick up a draft pick and a few players that were let go by other teams.

You just learned this? Their ability to unload veterans for draft pick is well documented. Expect them to trade some of those picks for more picks, and better picks, in 2012.

Welcome back DC. I agree. It had to be done and that 4th round pick could be a starting LB, a RT, or TE someday.

Terrible trade? Freddy has gas in the tank. He is a good all purpose back. Spiller is one of the few potential stars on the team and he will get a lot of touches. If this trade is real it is about all you can expect. Best wishes to Lynch but he is caught in a numbers game. He has great ability.

So why hasn't anybody else hired Billick?

Williams is a good rotational player. Not an every down NT. Troup played more than I have seen in past weeks. Maybe getting pushed around by Mangold will speed up his development? Scoring is a huge difference. Also, I think we blitz less and get much less pressure, evidenced by the fact that we have ZERO picks. We cannot seems to force a turnover.

We drafted Troup (NT), Carrington (DE), Batten (LB), and Moats (LB). All of them project to play the 3-4. Problem is they are rookies. You simply cannot expect too much from a rookie, especially mid and late round picks. If a rookie starts on your team you had a big hole. There are exceptions but not a lot. In every draft there are players that can step in but it sure seems like the ones that make an impact are the ones surrounded by good players. Ever notice that good teams can plug in a rookie and bad teams can't?

Correct. Whitner and Fitz and I will go with Poz too. Afetr that forget it. Evans looked like he quit.

Jets game last year versus Jets game this year. Call it a stretch play or a cut back run ... we don't have the horses to play good defense. The Jets killed us with it last year (4-3) and once again this year (3-4). Does not matter what scheme we run? No, Their blockers are so much beter than our front 7 it does not matter at all. We really need to credit Perry Fewell for getting the defense ready last year. They had some good games overall. Now? What a difference this year with basically the same players. Where are the blitzes and the forced turnovers? Changing to a 3-4 lust set us back at least another year in "the rebuild". Most of the time we play with 4 down lineman, the 4th down linemen is usually Chris Kelsy lined up as a DE. Kelsey has no sacks and gets no pressure, but he has a new contract. LBs - Ellis, Torbor, and Ellison are not getting it done. Davis can't cover my grandmother. Poz is playing alone. We sorely need linebackers on this team. So I ask ... We get excited about a few rookies such as Moats (6th rounder) and Coleman (UDFA). Of course they are not even close to the same level as Orakpo, Cushing and Matthews? Each of them are all making a huge contributions to their teams while our #1 pick collects a big paycheck and twitters like some high school kid. Does this tell us anything? Anyone else feel foresaken by this FO?

Players win, not schemes.

Our offense played great against New England so lets defer and kick so our suspect defense can get rolled on the first series. Deferring is for pussies. Unless the weather is a major factor give me the damm ball first.

I came home from the Dolphins game feeling ripped off. I came home from the Cleveland last year game feeling ripped off. Spending money .. tickets, hotels, airfare, food ... and getting nothing.

Ralph did not want Shottenheimer because Marty has a reputation for wanting things done his way. Ralph will not have that.

You cannot cut them. Like it or not they are two of the better players on the team. Evans really showed nothing today. How many balls hit hit hands? Look like he quit. Whitner is what he is. An average safety that unfortunately was drafted #8 overall.

Mine too. Had we kept Greer we would not have needed to sign McKelvion. Would have been nice to draft an OL, DL or LB with that pick.

The defense is horrible and does not have the right talent to run a 3-4. When Nix and Gailey decided to make the switch they more than doubled the workload on this rebuild. Should we go back? I say no. Why start over again when this season is lost. Keep playing the 3-4 and maybe a few of the young guys will start to develop. We need to draft better players on the front 7. It will take years for this defense to come together. Sorry, but unless they are going to spend money bringing in talented veterans there is no fast solution. Even spending big money on free agents is no gaurantee.

Hard to say for sure but it is close.

Wrong. Did you see our defense last week? Running is good for them too. We want "weak armed Sanchez" to throw, don't we?

"NATURALLY root for" ???? What are you smokin'? Toronto is NOT Buffalo and the guy who worked the Toronto deal with Ralph is already dead. Where ever they move to you can expect a total change in uniforms, logos and team name. His legacy is the BUFFALO Bills and the Stadium with his name on it sitting out in OP. Ralph has time right now to maintain a team in Buffalo by working with a consortium of ownners with the same vested interest. He can also be working with the County and the State. Who knows? He may be doing this right now. Moving to Toronto is not good enough. The team can stay in Buffalo with some careful thought and planning. Just settling for a team in Toronto is unacceptable.

He played to seasons as a DB and a punt returner. Had 9 picks and 1 TD. I seem to remember him as a position coach but cannot place it?

You make some very good points. One more point ... there still are many fans that do not want to see excessive showboating. There was a time when quarterbacks did get "crushed into the ground" and the guy who did the "crushing" just got up and walked away. There was a time when a special teams reserve player made a tackle and did not celebrate like he just freed the Western World. The great Packer teams of Vince Lombardi never did the "Lambeau Leap". Some fans actually prefer sportmanship and a grace. Performance without one-ups-manship. I appears that we are becoming a minority.

An impact player at LT or DE/ LB. Really depends on who is else is there but if Bell looks good for the remainder of the season I would look for a player that could help our front 7.

Well at least there was 1 play off and three winning seasons in that 13 year span to eleviate the pain. We also had OJ and some better players than now. I personally think the past 10 year is the worst. Maybe its the excessive media coverage or the internet?

Sounds good. We are due and maybe they are overconfident? We can do it if we get a big game from the defense.

Good call. Two weeks and two bone headed plays later ... let's see him score again and not get a penalty.