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I hear you. As a fan, I welcome the win as well as the constructive criticism. I can never understand why fans have such a difficult time accepting both. The win feels great and the criticism doesn't take away its sweetness. Imho, the criticism is warranted and welcomed. The end result we want is a super bowl ring. It's not a squeaked out win that continues to illustrate our vulnerabilities. We are 6-2 with much work ahead, glaring defensive holes, and a sputtering inconsistent offense. We won despite it which says a lot about the character of the team. Why isn't ok to criticize and compliment?

I think this is a Jets upset. Bills are not playing well, have a ton of injuries, and are facing the Jets a second time on the road. Ugly and sloppy game. Jets 20 and Bflo 19.

Oliver is still young. It's too early to give up on him. Doesn't mean he hasn't sucked! He has been a great disappearing act thus far.. Maybe ***** Norman is the best we have under the circumstances? What do you suggest coach Karlos?

You are grasping at straws. Oliver has basically sucked since he's taken the field as a Bill. You need to get way more production out of a top ten pick. Norman was playing due to injuries and lack of depth. Maybe they are assessing what he has in the tank. Frankly, I'll trust Fraizer and McDermott's judgement over yours. The proof is in the success that they have had with our defense.

I don't buy this notion. Frazier and McDermott know how to use the strengths of their players. Simply put, Oliver stinks right now. He has had little to no impact since being drafted. Maybe there is a reason why he dropped to us.

I wasn't directing the arrogance statement towards you. I apologize for that. I should have left that out of my response to you. It was more directed towards others.

I get we are a much better team than the jets. Yet, I am taking nothing for granted. Currently, we are playing poorly on both sides of the ball, playing a divisional opponent, and albeit on the road. This is by no means a "free square." Upsets happen every week and the best team doesn't always win. Don't get me wrong, I'm expecting a W but this over confidence and arrogant talk isn't appealing to this fan.

I think when he plays we'll it's warranted to give him the praise. Vice versa. The first 4 games he was the best two QBs in the league. The last two games he's at the bottom end of QB performances. I think quality of opponent has a lot to do with it. A QB will always be in the spotlight good or bad. Allen is young and talented. With that, comes the good and the bad. Not really sure how he ends up in the history books. With that said, I'm excited his talent, growth, leadership, attitude, etc. I haven't been able to realistically say that about a Bills QB in many many years.

Oliver and Edmunds seem to be trending as busts. Still too early but both haven't lived up to expectations. We really needed them to step up. Oliver barely gets his name called in a game. Edmunds is constantly out of position or missing tackles. I'm no expert but I really don't think it's the coaches or the scheme. They have been successful with it for a few years now. The common denominator is the players. The offense is going to have to win us games.

Fair post. I disagree with our goal is to win the division and anything else is icing on the cake. Prior to the start of the season I expected the Bills to win the division. On paper, we have the best team. Last year we made a nice playoff run and just fell short. Making the playoffs and losing the first game is not progress to me. Making a deep playoff run should be our expectation. One and done isn't progress.

For sure Bill. I'm not sure you can even put him in the top 10 category. He flashes signs of greatness while reverting back to poor footwork and inaccurate passes. His potential and ceiling is quite high but in the end accuracy almost always reigns supreme. The first 4 games he was playing perhaps beyond sustainability. The last two games he's been quite awful. I suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Very true. Honestly, we had no business winning that game. It would have been highway robbery if we won. I just wanted a chance to see if we could have won. The ability for our defense not to stop them in the end was heartbreaking.

Well said. Hard to argue with that statement.

Solid post. I disagree with your assessment of Allen in these last two games. He looked every bit of a young rookie QB. Tonight, the first play of the game was clear evidence of this. Pass after pass was inaccurate with poor footwork. The numbers don't lie either. They were horrendous. Without looking it up he was like 6-15 with 25 yards passing. The end result was 14-27 122 2 tds 1 int..To boot he throws an int finishing the game. My eyeball test saw a carbon copy of the raw QB we drafted. I don't know how anyone can't be worried about Allen. Hate to be a Debbie downer. I just think it's best for this forum to hear all opinions. What I dislike is people often get upset if you say something bad about the team. I'm a diehard fan and very much support the team.

The two games show me we are not an elite team. Also, a bad Texans team had the Titans beat. The sky isn't falling but there is lots of smoke in the air. The last two games clearly show we are not elite. Don't know how anyone can dispute that. Allen has clearly regressed. Just ask yourself if you have thought OMG he looks like he did in his rookie year. Mostly it's an accuracy issue with poor footwork. Yes, it doesn't help that we can't run nor protect him. The defense is just not good. Even when we were winning it wasn't good. We can't cover tight ends, can't stop the run, and we aren't very good on 3rd downs. Lots of season to see if we can turn things around. I'm most concerned with Allen.

Could it be the Bills might not be as good as their record? We are about to find out how good we really are. That Allen performance along with our poor defense has me worried. A good performance against the Chiefs would go a long way. They don't even have to win it. Just show me they can compete.

Gonna be a blood bath. No way the Bills can stop the Chiefs. Our defense made the titans look like a good offense minus two starters wrs. Our only hope is to out score them. The offense looked like ***** too. Allen regressed, oline was bad in all facets, wr drops, etc...I calling for a 38 to 17 loss. Hope I'm wrong.

Did not enjoy this game one bit. I couldn't help but have flashbacks to the crapoy Bills teams of the past. Allen regressed badly, defense was horrendous, what running game or pass rush?, and Oline sucked. A total disaster tonight. Hoping this makes us better. My biggest concern was how bad Allen was. He panicked, was inaccurate, stared down receivers, and didn't run at all.

Spot on.

I'm not sure Cam will work out. Nevertheless, this is a steal for the Patriots. Nothing to lose. I have a hard time thinking Cam will be a good Bellicheat student. However, Cam is always Nice if he is winning. The Pats know how to win.

I think it's far too early to say. Both have big time upside. Jones looked good but in a very small sample. Josh seems to be developing well. There just isn't enough there to concretely make a valid or invalid argument. I would take Wilson and Watson ahead of Josh. Both have that "it" factor. Obviously, Mahomes too. It's a pass on Lamar. He still limited in the passing game. I think defenses will catch up to him. Remember RG3 and Kap. No to Dak. I think he is average at best. A big yes to Wetz. He is a stud and proven when healthy. I'd take my chances. Just my opinion.

I agree. Just a question. How many would like to see the PI call changed to the way college does it? Or something like 15 yard penalty or if it was an obvious blatant PI to prevent a long gain or Td then apply the penalty of total yards. Reason being I really hate when a team gets all those yards on a so so PI call. It changes the game too much.

At best Fromm could be a serviceable back up. Anyone who thinks he can be a franchise QB is beyond optimistic. A serviceable starter is a huge stretch imho. Stop gap guy and back up QB isn't bad for a 5th round pick. His arm strength is beyond poor. The combine exposed that. He can't overcome that big of a deficit in the NFL. Super cerebral guy who may squeak a win or 2 out is fine with me. I like the pick because we have nothing to lose. Just my 2 cents

He is a mini version of Maurice Jones Drew.

YES!