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Who was the last OC with one good year that got hired as an HC?

Down for what??

They haven’t allowed more than 7 in the first half all year. Scoring 24 feels like the hard part tbh

Torrence on the whole year has easily been our worst starting OL. He was downright terrible at some points early in the season.

Most were traded? Godwin wasn't traded. He had a season ending injury 2 weeks prior to the deadline. Jeudy was traded/extended in March and was not available. I don't think that qualifies as a "mid season trade." DK Metcalf was injured October 20th and missed 6 weeks. He also wasn't traded. Cooper Kupp was injured for 7 weeks. He wasn't traded. So not only was "most" of that list not traded midseason, 3/7 of them suffered serious injuries that would have made them even riskier to trade for. Yes Beane probably would have a set limit. Which means that there was a possibility that Beane got outbid and got nobody. Which means the odds were decidedly not "heavily in our favor," at all. Look at the history of midseason WR trades. Last year it was luminaries like Mecole Hardman and Claypool and late round pick swaps. The year prior it was Calvin Ridley on the suspension list, Claypool again and Kadarius Toney. Using the benefit of hindsight to say it was a good bet we would end up with a really good WR in October is not really the reality.

It's very funny that you say this when half the list was hurt and wouldn't have been eligible to be traded for regardless. Jeudy was also already under extension with the Browns. And two of the guys listed are slots guys. The bottoml ine is if the Browns were .500 instead of a mess, the Bills, Chiefs, and Jets would have all been stuck overbidding for Adams/DHop. Would you have been happy sending 2 seconds to the Raiders because we needed Adams? Of course not.

I wanted him to sign Darnell Mooney pre and post Diggs trade. You’re welcome to go look it up. I am glad Beane made the call to trade for Cooper. It was a great deal and he gets credit for it. It was also an obvious need in August, much to the chagrin of the usual suspects who are acting like it was part of Beane’s idea to address the position from the start (most of whom were arguing all offseason that the WR’s were fine, that little irony shouldn’t be lost on anyone.) Bottom line, I don’t believe Beane “planned” to trade for any WR. I think he misjudged the room. I think he was wrong and quickly rectified his mistake. That happens all the time, but he was still wrong, and the folks who thought he was right were wrong as well. He’s still an NFL GM. He knows a lot of football but he can be wrong. He can also be right about a guy like Bernard, who I think virtually everyone on the board hated. We won’t turn into stone if we admit the WR group in August wasn’t up to snuff.

So which is it? If WR1’s with low salaries, like Cooper, are rarer than hen’s teeth, how could the master plan have always been trading for a guy like Cooper? Seems counterintuitive imo. “These guys are super rare, we are gonna bank the whole year on one of them available for trade and us being the top bidders.” What if Cleveland was 4-2?

He signed Diggs to a contract that he never played a snap under while a Bill. What is this spin? The Chiefs offer a second for Cooper and Beane's "two steps ahead" are a pipe dream.

At least be funny or something. Italics are no substitute for wit.

He was. The story coming out of NY when they were searching for HC’s was that Mara felt the Giants had failed DJ and his development and they were not prepared to move on from him. The big push for Daboll was his history with developing Josh Allen.

Waivers means you have to pay them their original salary IIRC

Liked Ladd but I think this season is legitimately the peak of his abilities. Chargers #1 need this offseason remains WR. Even with QJ coming back from looking like an all time bust. Slot guys are nice. That’s what they are

I wonder the difference between solid/depth guys and stars in this analysis. The Bengals 2021 draft for example has a cumulative wAV of 63 but 44 of those are from Chase/McPherson. The Bills 2021 draft has a cumulative wAV of 64 with Rousseau and Brown accumulating 59 points together. Hamlin is pulling up the bottom with 6. Is Rousseau/Brown more valuable than Chase/McPherson? Are they 15 points better, aka a solid player better?

All the people clowning Jerry Jones as a GM and trying to get him to sell the team, right?

You know how we used to not be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs but we always knew we were kinda eliminated already? This is like that, except backwards.

Some smart guy put a tidy little sum on Josh Allen MVP and TJ Watt DPOY before the year. Some dumb guy added Caleb Williams OROY and parlayed them all.

We have very few players able to run routes past the sticks. There’s zero reason for Shakir to run fades or go’s or skinny posts.

Funnily enough, narrative-wise, Josh Allen being MVP hurts McD’s chances for COTY.

I’m a notorious Dabs guy, but he had the best talent of the 3 so imo it’s unfair to compare them. Babich has the least talent of the rest of them so ditto as wellZ

That’s why its narrative. BB should have more than the handful he does as the obvious best coach in the NFL but that’s not how it works. It’s solely narrative.

COTY is all narrative. The narrative for the Bills may not have been as strong as it turns out, but taking playoff team to top 2 seed isn’t good enough.

I mean, he’s well outperformed this regimes former 16th overall pick lol

Watching him block air v the Bengals multiple times was the cherry on top of a brutal playoff game

Not sure I agree with this. The 2023 Chiefs had their fifth best game of the year vs McD in the postseason by EP on offense. The 2022 Bengals had their third best game of the year in the postseason vs McD. the 2021 Chiefs again, also 3rd best game in the postseason. The 2020 Chiefs had their best game of the year in the AFCCG against the Bills. Really what would say is that McD molds the team and defense pretty well except in the last game of the year in the playoffs. I don’t think any of those teams were particularly undermined on offense.