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It’s this times 1 million. The OL got worse. The WR’s got worse. Then wow, the QB played worse. Crazy. Folks forget that Daryl Williams was playing like All Pro RT in 2020. We replaced him with Spencer Brown.

I unfortunately am concerned that there is a disconnect on the DL grouping somewhere. AJE’s career has been bizarre and Boogie looks to be AJE 2.0. Ed Oliver is like the 8th best DL in his own first round. The Star Loutotototo saga. Just bizarre stuff. All that being said, Leslie Frazier took a defense with AJE, Boogie, Damar Hamlin, Jaquan Johnson, Cam Lewis, Christian Benford, Kaiir Elam, Xavier Rhodes’ corpse, Tre White’s ghost, one armed Jordan Poyer and the scarecrow Tremaine Edmunds and cobbled together the #2 defense in the regular season. That’s a coaching success, not a failure. They ran into a hot team with a great QB and got buzz sawed. It happens

Woah woah woah. Do you think the Bills have the second most talented defense in the NFL?

Lmao

At a certain point, continuity plays a huge part as well. When you have guys playing in the same systems for 5-6-7 years, it becomes pretty easy to keep the train on the tracks.

Sure but that’s what the Pats lived on for decades. The Chiefs get the same benefit. Complimentary football exists and offense generating long drives and points will always help the defense. The defense *not* allowing points and forcing punts will help the offense. Bills offense in 2022 had the fifth best starting field position per drive. That’s a lot to do with the defense. The Bills defense in 2022 had the ninth best starting field position per drive. That has a lot to do with the offense.

I agree. We need to upgrade the players. Not the scheme that has turned chicken ***** into chicken salad on the back end. Yeah, Levi Wallace, Christian Benford, Kaiir Elam, Cam Lewis and Jaquan Johnson ain’t stopping elite QB’s. Agreed.

What? He cobbled together the #2 defense in the league, in the best passing era ever, with Christian Benford, Kair Elam, Dane Jackson, Damar Hamlin, Jaquan Johnson, Cam Lewis and the ghost of Tre White all being regulars in the secondary. Not to mention the scarecrow Edmunds and 1 armed Poyer. You people can't do this. You can't say all these players suck AND Leslie Frazier sucks. Because guess what? Almost of the players I listed above ALSO wouldn't have teams jumping at the opportunity to get them. It's almost like ya'll think we had a bottom 10 defense.

We are 4-5 in the playoffs, we hardly get lit up "all playoff." Yes, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow have beaten us a couple times. Happens to a lot of teams. The "blunders" are just bad games. They played like ***** against the Bengals. They deserved to lose. You show me a coordinator that guarantees a Super Bowl and I'll say hire them. But you won't, because they don't exist lmao.

I mean, Frazier has gotten stars like Levi Wallace/Dane Jackson/Christian Benford to all play like competent CB's for a while. I guess that has nothing to do with fitting player's talents. "Any competent organization would have fired their coordinators after a top 2 season statistically" lmao. I think that's never ever happened so I have no idea what you're basing that off of.

Best in the NFL!

My favorite meme in Bills land is thinking OC/DC are the biggest problems, no matter who the players are. Did we suck in 2012 because Chan was the HC/OC or was it because we had crappy QB's? Did our defense suck in 2012 because of Dave Wannstedt at DC or was it because we had crappy players? If you think a new DC = 2000 Ravens with this defense, or Sean Payton = 2013 Broncos with this offense, you aren't paying attention to the league. Most teams have fine coordinators. There are a few teams with horrific coordinators but those teams, again, usually aren't top 5 as units in the regular season. They also are usually saddled with crap players. IMO, Dorsey and Frazier both have their issues. Dorsey can't find an identity, falls in love with the big play etc etc. Frazier gets a little conservative at times (although, to be fair, it's hard to be aggressive with backup CB's who need backup S help all the time). There is no "hire this coordinator and AJE will be good." That coordinator does not exist. There is also no "hire this coordinator and Roger Saffold will stop being the biggest tub of goo playing LG since Vlad Ducasse."

Perhaps the worst example to use, because Chandler Jones was a superstar in his prime. After BB, he made two All-Pro teams, was 2nd and 3rd in DPOY voting as well. In 2016, they traded him for Jonathan Cooper (bust) and a second rounder, which they traded down to draft Thuney (good player who left in FA) and Malcolm Mitchell (bust). They won the Superbowl anyway, because of course they did, but it wasn't because of that trade. The next year, they turned around and gave that money to Gilmore, who won DPOY, but they SUCKED against the pass as a group, in large part due to the absence of a premiere pass rusher (they had 42 sacks on the year, Chandler Jones with AZ had 17.5 by himself) which culminated in Nick Foles throwing the ball all over the yard on them in the SB, despite a heroic performance by Brady. So yeah. Let's not copy the BB model because when you have the greatest QB and the greatest coach ever, you can basically do whatever and it will still work half the time.

We got to the AFC championship on Josh's rookie deal.

And somehow we have had the best defense of all of them lmao

Have you ever noticed that good teams who commit to the run, and play tough physical defense..... usually have a lot of really good players? Teams like the 49ers. The Eagles. The 2014 Seahawks. etc. etc. etc.

Keep working? Here's how the Eagles built this Super Bowl team. They have a QB making 2% of the cap. They have a really good WR2 who is a star on a rookie deal. They have a WR1 who they traded a FRP for and signed to a mega deal. They have a RB1 on a rookie deal. They have the best RT in football being paid accordingly. Darius Slay, who they traded for, is making 11% of their cap on his mega deal. Bradberry is on a 1 year deal. They have an aging group of ProBowlers (Kelce, Cox, Graham) who all took shorter term contracts for one last ride. What similarities do you see between them and us heading in 2023? They WENT for it this year. This offseason, Kelce and Cox will likely retire, Graham will be voided, and they will lose a bunch of their guys. We don't have the cap space or luxury of a star-studded cast. Slay/Bardberrys' is better than our CB's. Josh is better than Hurts, but he may not be $50M better than Hurts. Every single OL player on their team is better. Their DL is better. Their WR group collectively is better. Their RB group is better. The only place we are better than the Eagles today is QB, WR1 and FS. That's why they are in the Superbowl, and we are talking about cheap OL signings in FA. "Just build a great team" isn't a strategy. It's a pipe dream.

The Eagles are dominant because they have a dominant defense AND run game. They also DON'T have a top 5 RB. Maybe not even a top 10. The time to build as the Eagles is over.

Why wouldn't you just roll with Cook and Hines and an UDFA or two? Perine is an absolute JAG. If we draft another RB, it may actually kill me.

The stats do support this. Splits: 3rd and 10+ YPA allowed 2021 4.1 2022 7.4

Hey, the also played a hot game in September!

Gibbs > Robinson feels like CEH > Taylor all over again. Folks love the pass catching aspect of RB's but there are a bunch of guys who can catch the ball and be near as productive as the top pass catchers that are cheaper. Taylor (and Robinson) are much better players at their position. The Chiefs replaced CEH with McKinnon who has been BETTER than him for nothing. Some 2022 stats: Ekeler 6.7 YPR McCaffrey 8.7 YPR Fournette 7.1 YPR Stevenson 6.1 YPR Aaron Jones 6.7 YPR Barkley 5.9 YPR Kamara 8.7 YPR McKinnon 9.1 YPR Swift 8.1 YPR Gibson 7.7 YPR Singletary 7.4 YPR. Montgomery 9.0 YPR. Some of those dudes are paid as stars. Some of them are young cheap players. Some of them are cheap vets. Unless they are great at EVERYTHING, like McCaffrey, it's likely not an ability worth chasing.

It's a really dumb article. Josh Allen's cap hit in 2020 was $5M, 30th in the NFL for QB's. Josh Allen's cap hit in 2021 was $10M, 17th in the NFL for QB's. Josh Allen's cap hit in 2022 was $16M, 13th in the NFL for QB's. The failure of the Buffalo Bills to win the Superbowl in the last 3 years has had nothing to do with Josh Allen's "big money contract." It has had everything to do with a team/coaching that just wasn't good enough Now, going forward, yes Josh's contract becomes more of a cap burden. But you know what? We saw what it looked like having a QB not worth a contract that could be a cap burden. So unless the plan was "find another franchise QB" which resulted in the worst team in the NFL for 17 straight non-playoff seasons, you have to figure it out.

Don't review the 19 draft. Ed O at #9. 8th best DL man in the first round. Cody Ford at #38. Bottom 3 player drafted in the second round. Traded for nothing. Knox and Singletary in the third. Fine. Vosean Joseph in the 5th round. Never played a down in the NFL. Jaquan Johnson in the 6th. STer and bad backup. Tommy Sweeney in the 7th. STer and bad backup. Darryl Johnson in the 7th. STer and traded away. The reason why Beane should feel the heat is because from 19-20, the Bills had 2 picks in the top 40 and 4 in the top 60. They got exactly one star. The Bengals in 2020-2021 had 3 picks in the top 40 and got 3 stars.

They committed to running the ball second drive of the game. Run run pass punt. 14-0. The offense was a massive problem, but the answer on Sunday was not “feed Singletary 20 times down 14.”