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I think you could argue we took a leap of faith at MLB last year? I guess we had Dodson and Klein in the wings as well. That stat is frightening though.

10-12 sacks is SO HIGH man. I would take 5 and say that was a wonderful rookie year lol.

CPOY may be achievable if he hit double digit sacks.

Carousel mercenaries like Lawson or Yannick might serve. Honestly, the Bills hitting on a budding superstar EDGE brings this team right out of “retooling year” and right back to contender status. It’s the kind of thing we need. My concern for Solomon will be that he physically can’t hang on the edge except in obvious passing situations.

Goes to show the Shanny tree + elite skill positions is easy mode for some of these QB’s. Tua had one of the best seasons in football last year. Sure he slumped at the end and got embarrassed in the playoffs. But clearly the powers that be in Dolphins land were not impressed, namely because they know lots of guys would look really good. Also, poor Fins. They do their whole tanking thing with Flores, gut the roster for picks and take the wrong QB in the 2020 class. Be thankful for every day we have a Josh Allen. QBs normally don’t skip voluntary OTAs.

The two seasons with our worst WR groups saw the most man coverage. In fact, it’s an indictment on our weapons for the past FIVE years that we were a top 5 team in facing man. There goes the “Diggs/Davis were good enough” argument. They were “good enough” until Sneed put Diggs over his knee and spanked him in the playoffs.

I think this proves if you are going to have crummy WR’s you better have a top 2 TE in NFL history and a top 2 QB in NFL history and a top 2 coach in NFL history. probably not a strategy I’d try to replicate.

I think that's a guarantee. I mean, we've been discussing about doing more at the boundary for how many seasons now?

And the beauty of having a stable, you aren’t relying on a rookie second round pick to be “the guy” right away because you already have your Mike Wallace starting.

What? You're telling me when Beane extended Diggs to make him the 6th highest paid WR in the NFL 25 months ago, it wasn't him trying to throw other teams off the scent that we would be going into the 2024 season with Coleman, Curtis Samuel, MVS, Shakir and Mack Hollins?

I would have no problem with Beane living off the rotation of day 2/3 WR's every year. I think it's a GREAT strategy. The Steelers since 2009: 3rd Mike Wallace 3rd Sanders 6th AB 3rd Wheaton 4th Marty Bryant 3rd Sammie Coates 2nd JuJu 2nd James Washington 3rd Diontae Johnson 2nd Chase Claypool 2nd George Pickens With WR contracts exploding even more today compared to those days, it makes sense to live off rookie deals that are gonna outplay their talent with an elite QB and get overpaid (read: Gabe Davis). This is how the Steelers prolonged Big Ben's career. They kept surrounding him with a stable. Of course, they also got lucky and hit on a HoF talent. But you can't hit on a HoFer without drafting them. IMO, I don't think Beane plans to follow this strategy. If he was, the time to get a jump start was this draft. But if he does go for the revolving door of WR, I'm 100% on board over trading for an Aiyuk and paying him $30M. Of course, this flies in the face of the OP stating that WR's are the new RB's. It's actually completely the opposite, but there's a good strategy to help us in a zero sum league.

You're missing the 2017/2018 crew too. Zay Day, Deonte Thompson, Golden Corral Benjamin, Andre Holmes (I think he preceded BB), Jordan Matthews, Robert Foster. We tried to dumpster dive committee WR before. All it got us was a bottom 10 offense in back to back seasons. 2020 Beane was the outlier.

So much so that they gave Diggs a massive extension two years ago and drafted a WR with their first pick this offseason? A team you could argue has adopted the "stable of good WR's" strategy is the current Packers regime or the Big Ben Steelers who drafted a day 2 pick WR every other year. Not the Bills.

Doc isn’t even responding to me lmao. Have the courage to tag me baby.

Because the RB could also just bust. And RB2 production is production that could be replicated with off the street FA’s. Unless you think there’s a greater chance they are good than other positions. Which honestly might be true, but I don’t think significantly enough. Numbers-wise, let’s say a 4th round RB has a 40% chance of being a complete bust. They have a 40% chance of being a league average back and a 20% chance of being a really good back. Let’s say a 4th round WR has a 60% chance of being a complete bust. They have a 30% chance of being a league average WR and a 10% chance of being a really good WR. In todays NFL where RB’s grow on trees and WR’s are getting QB-lite contracts, how is WR not a better investment even with worse odds?

Cowing or Gould. Fair enough, but imo that means it’s bad strategy to take them before the 6th. Why waste a solid draft pick on a player you are effectively guaranteeing a maximum 4 year career with your team?

The guy who said, “I bet you won’t say that when you watch him play.” I think when you draft a 25 year old running back, he better be contributing week 1, because his career countdown begins.

So, starting in 2019? 2019: 1st on D, second on O 2020: 1st on O, second on D 2021: 1st on D, second on D. 2022: 1st on D, second on O. 2023: 1st on O, second on O. 2024: Second on O, second on D. so 2 firsts and 4 seconds on O. 3 firsts and 3 seconds on D. you’re right, it’s close. But let’s look at the investments themselves. Diggs Cook Kincaid OCT Ford Coleman TBD Now, besides big Cody who sucked, all of those investments have been slam dunks. Partially because Josh is our QB, but that’s the point. Diggs was elite when paired with Josh. There’s a lot of hope that Kincaid will be elite next year. OCT and Cook are good enough to be starters for the near future Let’s look at the defensive investments: Oliver Rousseau Boogie Elam AJE Bishop (TBD) Besides Oliver, do any of these dudes stand out at all? Elam and Boogie are busts. AJE is a rotational backup. Greg Rousseau is an NFL starter. I guess asked a different way, with Josh Allen at QB, would you rather have the first list or the second list? Imo, it’s clear and away the first.

7 for 7 first and second round picks?

Fair enough. I disagree. I think the defensive investments haven’t been good enough and I think the offensive investments haven’t been enough.

Would you like to answer my questions?

It was. Their other second round pick was a safety and their third round pick was a backup DT. They also got rid of their #1 and #2 WR this off-season. I will ask these questions, point blank. Do you think the Bills, over the course of the last 6 years of Josh Allen’s career, have done enough to put offensive talent around him? Your definition of enough may be different than mine, and that’s fine. Do you think the high round investments in defense have paid off? I’m talking about AJE. Rousseau. Oliver. Edmunds. Boogie. Your definition of paid off may be different than mine, and that’s fine. my answer is no and no.

So when Josh is 35 and the defense continues to implode in the postseason, the answer is still gonna be “we just need to keep drafting DL high?” Interesting. FWIW, Oliver got erased by KC’s IOL. He had 1 assisted tackle. Rousseau has 1 sack and 1 TFL in his postseason career. Terrell Bernard has 5 career postseason tackles. Kinda makes my point for me.

How many more first and second round picks do we need to throw at the defense before we agree the strategy isn’t working?