Mikie2times

This one is close to the Stevie catch, if not better considering the entire outcome. This is among my all time favorite plays. Always was a huge Moulds fan. Wait for the replay. Pretty sick.

We did or didn't. Tired of the hypotheticals on why we didn't. Our entire forum is hypotheticals on why we didn't. Meanwhile Mahomes and KC had it's own 13 seconds in 2018 vs the Patriots we never heard about it again. Go figure.

This thread is about game winning drives. Which was ironic to me because the Bills were sent home on a failed game winning drive. I do not feel particularly great as it relates to Allen on game winning drives in the playoffs. He had chances vs Houston before regulation and in OT, a TD wins. He had chances against KC, a TD wins. In fact name one time in Allen's career the game ended with us scoring a TD? How many times has it even happened under 2 minutes? A few sure, but this is far from a sure thing given he's the "best" at it. Field goals have been different but we didn't just watch Mahomes win on a FG did we? He ties it in such fashion but still needed to do what Allen has never done in his career to win it. I used his 3rd down data to discuss one of the reasons why I feel that way. When you have one singular drive against an elite team I don't think being off schedule benefits you. You can't run like you can in other spots so that process you talk about that works in the regular season gets taken away. We see the same thing with Josh and OT. He is not the guy you want if you need a TD and have one drive to do it.

You're right. This is why people can't have a conversations on this topic. People will steer things how they must to fit whatever narrative they have. My post was talking about his throwing on third down and game winning drives in the playoffs. You were the one that diverted away from what I discussed with something totally different. Historically Allen is not a good passer on 3rd downs. You want to debate that? Historically Allen is good on 3rd downs when you include his running. Not debating that. PFR under career splits. They don't separate success rate for that but it's not hard taking first downs / total attempts. Below is this year.

It's the % of throws that resulted in a 1st down on 3rd down.

Career success rate passing, not running Mahomes 48.8% Burrow 45.0% Allen 43.2% We do a lot of things really well in the regular season

I guess I don't feel overwhelmed with confidence late in a playoff game that Allen will score that final TD. Not like I feel with Mahomes or Brady. Regular season sure. He seems to deliver more consistently in that spot. He also did in 13 seconds but I pause because that was one of the worst defenses in the league. So can he? Sure. But I don't think it's near a level of those two guys I mentioned. I also attribute that mostly to his ability to play within structure with consistency. Look at the below clip at 3:08. Is Mahomes or Brady considering running in that spot? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UzerC7LC8&t=245s You could say well maybe he didn't have anybody open. Maybe...But the reality is he isn't a top 10 QB throwing the ball on 3rd down in his career (not an opinion). His career rating on 3rd down is 84.9, Mahomes has a rating of 110.3 on 3rd down, Burrow a rating of 101. Now include his legs and he is a top 5 QB on 3rd down with EPA. But that's the issue with Josh. Going off script does not deliver the consistency of delivering on script. It produces some incredible moments but isn't as repeatable. You create repeatable actions by throwing on schedule. That is the area of his game I want him to get better in as he ages.

McMarty's defense allowed 19 second half points to Houston. But we did post a 1st half shut out. Plus that was against Pre Touchy Watson who was much better than post touchy Watson so we need to factor that in. Against the Colts the next year McMarty's defense gave up 472 yards and 27 first downs. But we can't really focus on that performance given the placement of the sun. Plus it was Rivers last game so you know he was going to ball out. I understand we allowed 439 yards and 29 first downs to the Chiefs in the AFC championship, but we made it. When was the last time we made it that far? Then we take 13 seconds and we say "I get it". We have to say that. It's like getting caught in bed with a stripper, powder on her chest, and your nose looking dusty. You can't exactly call it flour at that point. Which paves the way for the next two years of failure. We were sleepy. We were injured. McMarty Apologists live in alternate universe where the claps don't make a sound, the gingers don't get burned from the sun, and the losses are wins.

In the Houston game we got the ball on the 50 yard line with a little over a minute down 3. We kicked a 47 yard field goal to go to OT. We then failed to score on our first OT drive. In the most recent KC game we were down 3 and we attempted a 44 yard field goal and missed. In 13 seconds we had multiple drives that should have ended the game. Are we front runners? Sure. We are built to defend the pass. It can be an avalanche when teams can no longer be balanced against us. We have no victories in the playoffs in which we were down more than a TD. Our defensive system + lack of diversity in it has performed very poorly against the better QB's in the playoffs. I guess my question would be we are currently 0-3 in winning close games late so why should we believe we can do so if it occurs again in the playoffs? That is with the assumption the defense can even put us in such a position which hasn't always been the case. Various reasons why we are 0-3 but the fact remains that is the record and nearly every element of our team has had some level of influence in why that is.

I’m not talking about 13 seconds. He most certainly did anything a player could do in that game. I’m talking about the playoff game against KC. Any hall of fame QB in history will take the ball in that situation. So when you say he did all he could do, sorry but he needs to score on that drive. He had the chances. In addition to nearly not having a chance with the fumble. I don’t expect you to agree. That’s fine.

I mean, I don’t put things on Josh. But at the end of the day we had the ball last against a team and player that is viewed as the best and we didn’t score a TD. We can go on all day about how others haven’t scored TD’s, others had FG kickers hit the FG, but we needed that drive. You expect the best in NFL history to get that drive. So I don’t think I’m going to say he can’t do any better. I would hope most on here would want and expect him to close that one out. If we say in future we have the ball last, down 3, vs the very best, most teams will say sure and will acknowledge they have to score or they just aren’t the team.

Same concept. Kincaid cleared out. 359 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UzerC7LC8

McDermott will be here long past the point in which no wants him here. It doesn't matter if he misses the playoffs next year. I hate everything I just said but it's how I see Terry managing this.

Something tells me she has a vibrating Josh Allen bobblehead

I actually like this one and have some hope it could happen. His year 1 was adjusting from a predominantly man system and joining the NFL. His year two he was largely banged up. If he can start the year healthy next season I see him as a guy that has the potential to really outplay his current spot on the depth chart.

I'm talking about the things you can't tell your wife or your husband. The things that haunt you at night. Things like Dalton Kincaid is a below average receiver (I would never say such a thing, I love Kincaid). How about the team will really miss Gabe Davis? Now that would almost be blasphemy on this board. These are just examples people. I do not endorse either of these statements. I'm just giving examples of the depths I'm asking you to reach in this thread. I will start....... Von Miller will have a rebound year eclipsing 10 sacks in 2024

So what happened in that Bengals game or the KC game the year before or the Colts game the year before? (we did win the Colts game but it was an NFL record first down and yards allowed in victory). This is the problem with your perspective. You apologists never came up with a valid reason for the past. Then you just moved onto the injury card this year. Which might be somewhat fitting but it does not describe what has occurred every year we went from a Top 5 defense to having teams run track on us. Do you believe McD is a better defensive mind than Spags?

I mean how often have we watched this team look like a world beater one game and just completely lose it the next? That was the best version of a team who has taken us to the wood shed both times we played them. I don't think our shell defense gets the job done.

Why do we somehow crush a Bengal team we have never beat after 13 seconds?

If Josh grew up in Europe he would be great at Rugby.

If the Bengals had 3 out of 5 starting lineman out we would have got the job done in 2022! Oh wait....

Tell me - what happened to his final throw in regulation time yesterday? Mahomes threw a quick fade to the corner of the end zone. On 2nd down he had 6 seconds left and they decided to kick vs risk another throw. He took KC the length of the field and set up a chip shot under 30 yards. Tell me - what was so superb about him yesterday that mean the only TD he managed in regulation time was assisted by a punted ball hitting a Niners heel? He had the game tying and game winning back to back drives in the Super Bowl. He ran out of time on the final drive. Settled for a FG inside 30 yard line. Then followed it up with a TD in OT for the win. The Bills stalled out on 4th down with plenty of time remaining and set up a 44 yard FG. How is this same? How many game winners does Allen have in the playoffs? Before you get tempted to reference 13 seconds, make sure you check out the 2018 AFC championship game Mahomes played in. Nobody ever talks about that game because it's not his defining moment. It's become secondary to his 3 Super Bowls all won after being down 10 points (again something we have never done). Josh is Manning. Mahomes is Brady. Nobody ever said Manning was bad and most agreed he was way more talented than Brady ever was, still, nobody besides Colts fans ever said he was as good as Brady. Our fan base can keep talking about, imagine if Mahomes was on Buffalo, imagine if Josh had Reid, imagine if we had an offensive line. Nobody cares. People care about what actually happens. If it was a game about imagining Dan Marino would be the greatest QB of all time.