CincyBillsFan

And whose fault was it that McCarron didn't pan out? Down here in Cincy, Bengal fans were happy AJ was signed as they thought he deserved a chance to start somewhere. And the comments made by AJ and his Bengal teammates was that he was going to Buffalo to win the starting job not babysit a rookie 1st round pick. There was nothing about McCarrons age, NFL history or attitude that suggested he would be right for that role. And as Mike Tyson famously said "everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth". If as you say their plan was to "red shirt" Allen how did that go? Can we at least agree that their "plan" fell apart and it was Allen & DaBoll not Bean/McD who made lemonade out of a bunch of lemons?

The issue for me is that McD is a defensive minded coach and that is not working in the NFL today. An average offensive minded coach would do more with Allen and company then McD has done. If Pegula isn't going to fire McD if he misses the playoffs, and I'm skeptical of the timing of this bit of news that he isn't, he must insist on a complete overhaul in how the Bills organization looks at their defense & offense. For the next couple of years the O must get the lions share of FA signings and draft picks. If the Bills don't do at least this then we will become the Chargers.

That doesn't change the fact that McD/Dean completely screwed up Allen's rookie year: * Started Peterman over Allen - great confidence builder there. * Didn't give Allen very many 1st team reps during training camp & preseason games - yea that had him ready to be inserted as the starter in week 2. * Tore the offense down and had arguably the worst collection of talent on the offensive side of the ball of any team in 2018 - they didn't just throw Allen to the wolves they tied his hands and feet together before tossing him out. * They didn't bring in a veteran QB to mentor Allen until half way through the season. I guess Bean/McD thought McCarron would fill that role but nobody told A.J. That Allen survived and at times shined his rookie year convinced me he was the guy. But the idea that Bean/McD deserve credit for creating an environment Allen could succeed in is misplaced IMO.

Which makes the 59 yard FG AND Allen's play all the more impressive.

For the record I'm waiting until ALL the information comes out here. These kinds of charges are fake all to often for me to be comfortable passing judgement.

It's a joke with a ring of truth attached.

First and foremost Allen developed himself into the player he is today. I know this goes against the "gone Hollywood" narrative but the guy has made his own way to the top of the QB world. It was Allen who chose not to give up and enroll in a community college when no D1 ofers were on the table; it was Allen who made the smart choice of going to Wyoming; It was Allen who then made the choice to work out with Palmer. Next, DaBoll gets a lot of credit for Allen becoming the QB he is today. You know who else should get more credit then Bean/McD for developing Allen his first two years? The people of Buffalo & Bills Mafia. The atmosphere in Buffalo was perfect for a guy like Allen. And he Buffalo community enthusiastically embraced the young QB which had to help him through those first 2 tough years. When I look back at 2018 & 2019 it's hard for me to see how the Bills did much to develop Allen. He was basically thrown to the wolves by Bean/McD. Fortunately between Allen and DaBoll he was able to float and then swim. * He wasn't named the starter as a rookie and didn't get a lot of 1st team reps in training camp & the preseason games. Allen saw Peterman, the worst QB to start games in NFL history, get the nod over him. How many guys would have lost confidence seeing that happen? Then Petermann predictably sucked and Allen is thrust into the starting job week 2. * Of course Bean/McD not expecting their rookie to play much in year 1 eviscerate the offense as part of a rebuild. Do you remember who Allen was playing with his rookie season? * In 2019 Bean/McD took the bargain basement path with their new QB. Morse was a solid if not risky signing but no one is going to call Brown & Beasley splash offensive signings. * It wasn't until 2020 when Bean/McD FINALLY made a big time move to support Allen on the offense by signing Diggs. But that was it until 2023 when they used a 1st round draft pick to take Kincaid. ONE splash offensive FA signing/draft pick over Allen's first 5 seasons. ONE! The narrative that the Bills organization developed Allen is just not supported by the evidence. I think it's safe to say that the defensive shortcomings seen over the last four playoff seasons are now being seen in the regular season.

Losman and Allen should not be named together as Allen is an exponentially better QB. Say the Bills drafted Baker, Darnold or the Other Josh, today we would be speculating on who was going to replace the coach that replaced McD in 2020. Meanwhile I suspect Allen on another team not named the Chargers would have a Super Bowl ring or two. Because the only other franchise in football that would have squandered Allen the way the Bills have so far wasted him would have been the Chargers. Because defensive minded head coaches in the current NFL can't get O lines, offensive skill players and QB's right. The Bills success has been in spite of McD and because Allen is really that good.

In what way? Did that INT end the game giving the Eagles the win? Did that INT result in the Eagles going on a scoring run and burying the Bills? What I saw was that Allen came back and led the Bills to the lead with less then 2 minutes left in the game and the D couldn't make it hold up. This notion that Allen's INT was any kind of turning point in that game is just not supported by the evidence. It was no more a turning point then the dropped TD pass or 2 missed FG's. In fact if you want to call out the closest thing to a turning point in this game you have to point at the defense allowing the Eagles to march down the field to cut the Bills 24 - 14 lead to 24 - 21 early in the 4th quarter. That got the crowd back into it and fired up the Eagles D. A simple stop by the Bills D giving Allen and the offense the ball back in the 4th quarter with a TEN POINT LEAD likley ends the game.

Because for these trolls bashing Allen knows no limits.

WRONG. What completely changed the momentum of the game was the defenses inability to stop the Eagles once they got hot. You seem to forget that the Eagles had easily gone down the field to cut the Bills lead from 24 - 14 to 24 - 21. That changed the momentum. Allen's INT after that was a product of his forcing the ball realizing that the D was falling apart again. What's surprising and a testament to Allen's skill is that after falling behind 28 - 24 Allen led the Bills on a TD drive that retook the lead, regained momentum and should have won the game. You and others are pushing a deeply dishonest take on what happened last Sunday. And you're doing it so you can bash Allen.

Oh and for the record including all fumble rather then fumbles lost is stupid. Why not include dropped INT's or almost INT's?

Just last year Dak threw more INT's then Allen playing in 5 less games. What I find ridiculous is these trolling cretins make you have to defend A BUFFALO BILLS QB who is one of the top 2 QB's in the NFL on a Buffalo Bills message board. What the FREAKING hell is that?

Yep, Allen was perfect against NE. Allen saved McD in the playoff game against the Colts as the rest of the team appeared a bit off and the Bills D had almost a complete collapse in the 4th quarter of that game. Against Dallas, Allen WAS the difference. You make a good point in saying that in none of McD's signature wins did it appear that McD had actually out coached the opponent.

My guess is that what "clutch" really is in the current NFL is having a high level of offensive self awareness. And this is something you won't get from a defensive minded coach in the same way you do from an offensive minded one. And what does a high level of offensive self awareness mean: * First, it's recognizing when you have THAT guy at QB. The Bills have shown that they have this level of offensive self awareness. * Then once you know you have that guy, Free Agency and the draft are focused against surrounding their elite QB with the best possible talent. The Bills ave FAILED to do this. * In game situations it's understanding when to press things offensively and knowing when to hold back. This includes when to go for it on 4th down and how to approach end of the half/late game situations. During games the Bills repeatedly show that they lack this level of offensive self awareness. So what to do? Fire McD and replace him with an offensive minded HC.

And in all those games who shined the brightest among the players? As I recall Allen was formidable in those games.

And the key word here is TEAM which includes coaching. I don't know about you but I would trade McD for the Eagles head coach in a heartbeat.

Also Stroud threw a terrible INT late in the 4th qtr that handed the Bengals an easy TD. But the Texans as a TEAM rose up and bailed Stroud out grabbing a big win in Cincinnati. The critics of Allen's one INT simply ignore what Chris Simms pointed out: OTHER Bills are allowed to make great plays to bail their QB out and win the game. Like the Eagles kicker who made a 59 yard FG in a rain storm. Attaching ALL the responsibility to Allen is insane and leaves me scratching my head.

This is bat feces crazy talk. The suggestion that the INT against the Eagles was a killer when Allen drove the Bills down for what should have been the winning TD in the last 2 minutes is beyond stupid. I guess by responding to you I'm feeding the trolls but damn there are a lot of trolls on 2BD recently.

This may be a valid excuse against the Jags & Eagles but it is not a valid excuse against the Bronco's & Pats and but for the luck of the Irish against the Giants.

No more insane then those throwing shade at Allen over this past weeks game against the Eagles. The FACT is that Hurts had a very bad fumble that contributed more to the Eagles losing the SB then Allen's INT did to the Bills losing on Sunday. And yes, Hurts was magnificent for most of that SB game just like Allen was yesterday. The problem as I see it are the double standards here in which Hurts is being given a pass when Allen is not. Now I believe both QB's should get the pass because in these games their one big mistake was overshadowed by spectacular play. But to deny the double standard is either insane or rooted in something deeply troubling IMO.

Funny how that TO, much worse then the INT Allen threw on Sunday, is forgotten in the near universal praise of Hurts play in last years SB. Yet Allen who played better on Sunday is having his spectacular performance negated by ONE INT. There is something weird going on in the Allen criticisms as they're getting more unhinged as the season progresses.

Chris Simms agrees: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=840417591418891&set=a.518766386917348 I've listened to the comments from some of the NFL talking heads on Allen and the Eagles game and the venom directed at Allen is astonishing considering how he played. It indicates something deeper, maybe even beyond football lurking here. To ignore the stats and what any reasonable NFL fan saw in that game to go after Allen is bizarre. It's clearly part of an agenda and since most of the craziest takes are from ESPN talking heads.......................... Consider the following scenarios: * How would we be talking about Hurts & Allen today if the Eagles missed that 59 yard FG in the rain? Hurts had TWO TO's that led to Bills points and only 200 yards passing. So all the talk about Hurts being "clutch" and Allen missing something is because the Eagles FG kicker nailed an incredible kick at the end of the game. A great example of an Eagle player bailing Hurts out. You know like T Bass failed to do. * How would we be talking about Hurts & Allen today if Allen had played as poorly as Hurts did through the first two and a half quarters? Well for one the Bills would have been blown out as there is no way they would have kept the game close let alone took the Eagles to OT.

I agree with others who say that should the Bills go 5 - 0 the rest of the way and make the playoffs McD stays. I don't see how you could fire the guy especially if he then wins a playoff game or two. But should this happen there would still need to be a fundamental shift in the Bills focus from the defense to the offense. For the next two years at a minimum at least 60% of the draft picks and FA money would have to go to surrounding Allen with better offensive talent.

Chis Simms speaks the truth. The hate being directed Allen's way by some NFL "analysts" has crossed over into something disturbing. There is no way after his performance against the Eagles is it warranted. IMO it outlines a deep seated hatred of Allen held by a large minority of these talking heads. Why they hate Allen would be revealing to find out but some of it comes from the fact that Allen made many of them look like fools for predicting that he would fail and never be a starting QB in the NFL. https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=840417591418891&set=a.518766386917348