CincyBillsFan

Like the throw against Detroit in 2022?

Nice job but to be fair if you're going to take out Allen's NE game then you have to take out Burrow & Jackson best game in the playoffs. I suspect that if you do the gap between Allen the other two only widens.

To be great which is always better then good.

In the case of Harty & Sherfield, Bills fans were largely hopeful that they could contribute at a high level. And while they were a general disappointment they also made a couple of insanely great plays to help beat Miami and win the Division. IMO Samuel is heads and shoulders better then Sherfield or Harty. He has produced very good stats given the offenses and QB's he has been operating under. I suspect that at minimum he will have the same impact as a 2019 Beasley did and that would make this a solid WR room. It seems reasonable to believe that both of these things can be true.

If "most people" only focus on passing today's for QB's how do you explain TWO MVP's for Lamar Jackson? Mahomes is put ahead of Allen because he has won/been to multiple Super Bowls. That is a huge achievement. At the same time I have no doubt that if if you switched circumstances with Mahomes going to the Bills in 2017 and Allen going to the Chiefs in 2018 the order would be reversed and Allen would be the #1 rated QB in the NFL with Mahomes in 2nd place.

With more talent around him on offense then Allen has had the last couple of years Cousins lost to the Giants in Minnesota in the first round of the playoffs. So what makes you think Cousins would have led the Bills to any playoff wins? I also don't think Cousins rallies the Bills in that 4th quarter snowstorm to beat the Dolphins in 2022 to win the division.

I disagree: * We don't make it to the AFC championship game in 2020 to lose o the Chiefs because with Cousins at QB we likely lose to the Colts in round one. * After barely getting by NE in round one of the 2021 playoffs KC blows us out in round 2 - no 13 seconds with Cousins at the helm. Hell we might not have even won the division as I doubt Cousins gets the late season win in NE to lock up the East. * I doubt the Bills win their division in either 2022 or 2023 with Cousins at QB. Both seasons required late season prime time victories over Miami to win the division. These are the games that Cousins has largely sucked in.

Kirk Cousins has a track record of losing big games. IMO if he was the Bills QB they would have lost late season games to NE in 2021; Miami in 2022 and Miami in 2023 that they needed to win to win the AFC East. That's 3 Division titles down the toilet. Then in 2020 Cousins would have lost to the Colts in the wildcard round and instead of "13 seconds" in 2021 the Chiefs would have cruised to a comfortable win. BTW you are dramatically understating how much better the Vikings offensive talent has been then the Bills over the last 5 seasons. This thread is definitely a creative way to throw shade at Allen.

Are we talking about the Kirk Cousins who when he finally got his team in the playoffs threw a 4 yard check down pass on 4th and 8 to end a playoff game and lose to the Giants at home? That Kirk Cousins? With Cousins the Bills are a 500 team the last 5 seasons with maybe one or two playoff appearances.

Both can be true: CMAC should have won MVP and when he didn't Allen should have.

What should be a fun and positive thread commenting on the amazing QB we have in Buffalo is contaminated by the weird posts of the passive aggressive Allen critics club.

I think he was referring to Allen's TO's. In that game you had the Cook fumble on the first play and then had the ball bounce off Davis hands for an INT that should have been a first & goal.

He looks like Kincaid did under a similar situation last year. Just a natural at snagging the ball and turning upfield.

Did you forget 13 seconds?

I bet when Brady watched a replay of that great Allen pass that Diggs had wrestled away at the Jacksonville 5 yard line for an INT he decided that enough was enough and the Bills had to get at least one WR that could go up and win those types of balls.

Not to mention that they lost a lot on defense. Can OBJ play on the D line or at LB?

If the picks of Worthy & Coleman were flipped (Bills get Worthy & Chiefs get Coleman) my overriding concern would be that we didn't land a BIG WR in the draft who could go up and turn 50/50 balls into 80/20 balls. I would be furious that Bean & McD went for the flash of the midget speedster while ignoring the higher upside of the big bodied freak WR.

Yep, that sounds right. If Bishop was gone Bean would have traded down. In the video Bean acted like he won the lottery when he got Bishop. There was no way with Bishop on the board he trades down.

I live in Cincinnati and Joe Burrow literally spent months publicly advocating for the Bengal's to draft Chase. How did that work out for the Bengals.

Did you catch the video of Bean & Pegula when they picked Bishop? You could see how relieved Bean was that he didn't have to trade up to land the guy. And Pegula's reaction told me that they had talked to him about how much they wanted Bishop. And this reminded me of the stress and gamesmanship a good GM like Bean has to do on draft day. They badly wanted Coleman & Bishop but Bean squeezed everything he could out of the picks and still landed his guys. Had Bean taken Coleman at 28 we would not have gotten that 3rd round pick from KC and had he feared losing Bishop and had traded our 4th round pick to move up maybe we don't get the running back. By taking a couple of chances Bean likley landed two additional starters or key subs in addition to landing the 2 players they wanted.

Samuel was a great pick up. Very productive in Washington given the circumstances of that offense and QBing.

We would not have gotten the D Tackle we picked with the 4th round selection. So we would have had to trade away picks to move up into the 3rd round to get him. We can never know for sure whether Worthy would have fallen or not but the only team between the 28th & 32nd pick to take a WR was SF and the guy they picked was a very different WR then Worthy. My guess is that the Chiefs really wanted Worthy and did not want to take the chance of someone moving ahead of him to steal him. But they probably would have made the trade even if the chances Worthy didn't fall to them was 1 in 10. Everything I've heard since the pick is that we got the guy we wanted and the trade allowed us to land a DT who will likley be part of the D line rotation right from the start of the season.

I think we did enough for the offense that Brady intends to run in Buffalo. And I agree with you that we are likely to sign another vet WR if the price is right.

First off we didn't just "hand him" to the Chiefs. They paid a steep price for a guy that almost certainly would have fallen to them at the end of the 1st round. And if that DT we took with the 3rd round pick we got from KC is a solid piece of the Bills D line rotation then we robbed the Chiefs blind. And who cares if the rest of the NFL is laughing at us. Let them laugh. I'll tell you what is really funny, calling Worthy "Tyreek Hill 2.0"! I mean come on man, the odds that Worthy is even half as good as Hill are remote. I don't think they would have. The differences in body type and style between Worthy & Coleman are to great to think that they would have taken Worthy over Coleman at 28. The Bills took the biggest late round 1 early round 2 WR on the board. They clearly valued size over speed here. And that fits the offense that Brady seems to be building.

So next season the Bills have TWO 2nd round and TWO 4th round picks. Not to shabby. Why use a 5th round pick for a guy that will be there in the 6th or 7th round or can be signed as a free agent? This is a great move by Bean.