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This kid is going to make some pro bowls and some people itt are going to eat some internet words. It's crazy that we still have doubters in this regime's ability to select and develop DBs.

Yes, that was my argument to NewEra. Not so much for the comp pick but just so we don't F our cap again. Offense wasn't that far away.

Right, but the post/discussion you replied to was about re-signing Cooper. It's the opportunity cost of cap dollars given our tight cap situation that would lead to weakening other parts of the roster. You're right that taking the comp pick alleviates that, though also leaves us again without a #1.

See my reply to big turk a couple pages ago but re-signing Cooper to a market value contract (e.g. 18-20M AAV) will likely mean having to shed even more salary than we're already slated to or not giving out extensions, etc. Like it or not, we're still on a cap cutting trend for one more year. Edit: and in truth, my 18-20M projection is probably low if Cooper is who we hope he'll be on this team.

I kinda hope we don't do that. I might be in the minority here, but it felt like injuries and some really bad coaching exacerbated the WR issues these last three games. With Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir healthy, the offense wasn't that bad, and it remains to be seen what Samuel might give us if/when he finally recovers from the turf toe. We might be one more good WR draft pick away from a balanced offense even without Cooper. I like the trade because we're arguably close with Cooper now but we still have one more year of shedding salary to complete the cap rebuild, so even if we're close now we probably won't be as close next year. We'd have to win the SB this year with Cooper being the main offensive weapon that unlocked the offense to justify materially weakening other areas of the roster. Just my 2c.

Because realistically he's going to get 18-20M AAV if he's even remotely close to what he's been the last two years. Mike Evans just got 2/41 as an example. Yes, Diggs is coming off the books but Josh is about to go from a 30M cap hit to 45M and then 60M in 26, and we can't just keep kicking that can down the road forever. At some point, Josh needs to start getting paid market rates. He's earned that. We also have guys like Knox, Dion, McGovern, Oliver, Rousseau, Jones, and Milano slated for big cap increases. We can look to restructure contracts again, and so maybe we can afford another 10M WR, but 18-20M is really pushing it given our cap issues.

Agreed. Most likely this is just a rental, and through that lens it's a steep price. OTOH, if we didn't trade for someone of quality then we'd likely have been going through the motions until our eventual first or second round exit. At least this gives us a chance. Also, we still have that Vikings pick (i.e. three top 60) to shore up the WR room if/when Amari walks for a Mike Evans-esk deal.

Steep price for a 30 year old rental having a down year but we needed this. Good job, Beane! I'm going to assume Amari's drop issues this year (17% according to PFR!) are a fluke given he's been pretty good on high volume over his career. Josh throws bullets so no more pretend pass catchers, please.

I legit thought the game was rigged until the 4th quarter when it became clear the officiating was just out of control in every direction. Hard to play a game like that.

Some of this is Josh is only 21st in passing attempts, and yes, he’s had some dropped INTs. He’s also leading the league in QBR…again. Stud.

I'm a little nervous that Jests will come out on fire this week after the firing. Their roster is pretty solid even if Rodgers is banged up.

Any trade would realistically only take place after the season and assuming Milano comes back and looks good this year. If that happens, and Dorian also continues to look decent, then yes, we should explore trade possibilities in the off season for all the reasons mentioned. I'd add Josh's ballooning cap hit to the list.

NFL is the worst with this stuff. "steps required by the concussion protocol were followed" doesn't mean Josh didn't sustain a concussion. This just reeks of damage control. This quote from Josh isn't at all suspicious: "I obviously went into the tent. I can only control what I can control," Allen said Wednesday. "What we talked about there, they deemed me cleared to play, and that's what happened. That's as deep as I'll get into it." I especially liked this part: "The protocol has been jointly developed and is jointly administered by the NFL and NFLPA. Under that program the parties jointly identify, retain and train the Unaffiliated Neurotrauma Consultants and Booth Spotters." How are you "Unaffiliated" if the NFL and NFLPA jointly identify, retain, and train you? Lol.

No one played against the Ravens

Killing the Curtis Samuel signing is totally fair. Mack has been ok. He isn't a bad player for < 1% of cap. Not sure why people are killing him too. Coleman is a rookie. This team needs all three of Kincaid, Shakir, and Cook to play for the passing offense to look good. If one is out, we just don't have enough threats. Next year, Coleman will be better and we'll add another starting calibre WR to fill out the room. For this season, we're just going to have to make due. Hopefully, we can get something from Samuel. Anything.

I don't think it's an overreaction at all. He was really bad in that first half. I'm sure someone will do an all 22 analysis that will help explain why he was bad and justifiably shift some of the blame, but much of the decision making and accuracy issues were on him. Yes, the receiver group could have helped him out more, and a better group would have. But calling out Hollins because he had to do a 180 going full speed on a crossing route or get completely turned around and have to change direction on a go route in a dome to locate poorly thrown balls isn't it. Josh also had Kincaid for a would be TD but instead gift wrapped a badly underthrown INT that was luckily dropped. Bills have above average OL, TE, and RB groups. They have a top QB. Their WR group is poor, and without Shakir it's really poor. Again, we had to do a lot of cap gymnastics just to get to this point. You can't have everything, and some weeks it's going to bite you. Not this week - this week was on Josh.

I mean, i'm not surprised this thread was bumped because people around here will do ANYTHING to deflect from bad QB play, but the main reason Bills lost this game was Allen playing his worst half of football in four years. We had guys open all half and Josh just missed them. He missed them for long TDs. He missed them on crossing routes. He missed them on out routes. He had multiple dropped INTs. He bailed early on some clean pockets. He was late throwing the football. His timing was off. His decision making was off... And yes, there were some drops and extremely difficult catches not made on poorly placed balls.. Yes, Brady got conservative after seeing Josh crap the bed for two straight quarters. Yes, we need a true #1 to truly compete for a SB. It was only seven months ago when we were in cap hell and in need of a reset year. Rome wasn't built in a day, etc. This game was not the fault of this WR group.

It's almost impossible to believe our coaches are that dumb but here we are.

Amazing that we still might lose this game in regulation.

man that was close to being game

weak call whatever

What a gift

What in the hell was that. Why bring the house there? wtf

Good timeout here. Need the stop.

Josh bailed on the pocket early there. Can't really blame him after that last series but still...