Seventeen

If all 50 MVP voters looked at solely who was the MVP for their own team, Josh would win hands down given the Bills struggle with the OL and running game.

Sure ... and Wentz is still with the Eagles. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/baker-mayfield-landing-spots-texans-washington-among-potential-destinations-for-browns-qb-in-2022/

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - I'm sure there are a few teams that would take Baker off the Browns' hands. NYG, Houston, Denver just to name a few. Is Baker better than Darnold or Newton ?

Cut him ? No ... but they can certainly trade him and have his new team pick up his 5th year money.

The question is can Baker return to the 2020 Baker after the surgery ? Confidence is a huge part of QB success and you have to figure he is not only beaten up physically but mentally as well. Lots of batted down passes and Mayfield has thrown more INTs that any QB in the league since 2018. I would agree with Yolo that one of them is out the door and I doubt it's Stefanski after just 2 seasons.

Makes you wonder if there's a lot more under the covers with Mayfield / Stefanski. Did Stefanski say why he left Hudson on his own to deal with T.J. Watt ? Mayfield could be gone but it would take Haslam admitting he was wrong about his #1 pick. Not sure the relationship is repairable ...

Not so sure Mayfield would be hard to replace with Wilson, Garoppolo, Carr, Cousins, Ryan and maybe Deshaun Watson & Rodgers available. Trubisky would have done a better job than Mayfield this year.

How many drops / throwaways contributed to the 17 rating ? Obviously the tipped ball interceptions (and the one other ) drove it down but the 17 rating doesn't include 81 yards rushing and 2 TDS.

Who determines the ceiling ? You ?

Reported on Twitter earlier today that Baker will be having the labrum repair surgery soon, but I'm not sure that will fix his current mindset and propensity to batted balls and turnovers. Might be best for him to get out from under the microscope in Cleveland.

They might be in the playoffs already had Harbaugh not decided twice to go for two at the end of games.

This is most likely the plan ... they can also move up and take Pickett / Corral and sign Trubisky. If Wilson leaves Seattle, might be a good restart for Baker.

Hard to clean up interceptions on tipped balls - my complaints are twofold - not taking a little off throws at time and still trying to make the hero pass when throwing it away is the better option.

And great for us that he is ... still shocked Elway didn't look at Josh's raw talent and see himself in the mirror.

Don't think you can find a decent house in the 200s now close to St Pete Beach ...

Along with many on this board who preferred the "wrong" Josh ... my only thought would be Smith would give him more than just a series or two to see if he is worth another look next year. This mock has the Falcons taking Pickett and Rosen would be history. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-mock-draft-top-20-qbs-replace-ben-roethlisberger-kirk-cousins-as-steelers-vikings-plan-for-future/

If the Highmark lease expires in 2023 and a new stadium would not be ready until 2025 at the earliest, would the Bills just renew year-by-year @ Highmark or just play somewhere else, i.e. Toronto ?

Maybe - some feel Ryan is on his last legs and a few mocks have the Falcons taking a QB. Not sure Rosen would be the answer but I dont think Franks is either.

Week 17 - any possibility we could see the good Josh battle the bad Josh in Week 17 ? If you tell me there's a 0% chance, I won't be offended. But if Atlanta were to lose this week, they would be pretty much eliminated from the playoffs. Would Arthur Smith give Rosen some playing time ?

Agreed - not sure they could get by a healthy KC team but wouldn't be surprised to see them in the AFC Championship game.

Never should've even come to this play - GB defender dropped a sure interception a bit earlier which would've been Mayfield's 4th at the time.

So who's left on the OL ?

As they should ... it's their bodies and I respect their right to personal choice.

And Merry Xmas to you as well !

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