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The initial post has the team slightly improving on offense ~2PPG and slightly regressing on defense ~2PPG. I think both are realistic but also would be a letdown. Allen in year 3 and you add DIggs and it adds up to less than 2 points per game off an already really low number of under 20PPG and need to be at least at 25PPG or better. Heck BALT put up over 30PPG. But part of me thinks scores will be down across the league due to the lack of preseason and reduced time to prep for the season.

This is goofy logic. First the team has plenty of cap room - we have very few elite players a ton on short term deals expiring in the next year or tow. Second, you sign your best players. If you sign a better player, then one of your previous best players that is not a best player anymore if not worth signing. Unless, you are saying Beane does not know what he is doing so only sign the current players because I dont trust his judgement that someone else is better. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2021/cap-hit/ Bills have not a single one of the top 100 salaries next year. Many teams have 5+. But the Bills cant afford to sign guys?

It is about expectations. When Fitz was QB it was a joke. No one expected the Bills to win. So they accepted rooting for the underdog, quirky guy from Harvard. Tyrod was better and that led to higher expectations and then let downs. Fitz is not terrible for a bad team wanting a guy to throw the ball all over the place. But your not going to win. Tyrod was a guy that could help a good team win with his legs and lack of mistakes. But he was not going to carry a team on his back.

Lee - I would be interested. Was solid for the Jets at times. Decent coverage LB and could play special teams. Pinckney - Practice squad potential

To add: Yannick did not have a good year last year. The previous year he had 51 QB pressures - that was 4th in league. Up there with JJ Watt and Aaron Donald. That is more than Mario the last two years combined. Lawson led the Bills last year with 28. That is an elite pass rusher and what this team needs.

As it should be. Lamar should have much more leeway than Josh based on what each has done thus far in the league. Lamar can be the same guy or slightly worse because he was that good. Josh can possibly be the same guy but that would be a huge disappointment because he was not close to good enough. If he is worse then red flags go up. Same goes for ever QB in the league that is still establishing themselves.

The Josh debate is so funny on this board. To answer the question in the most simplest way possible...every season is a make or break season in some regard for every QB outside of a Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, etc. If he plays awful he is potentially benched, he plays average then there are going to be a lot of questions, he plays great then he is on to another year with much more faith in him. That same logic applies to tons of QB's in this league. Not sure we the board thinks its only Josh. Even Lamar Jackson who is an MVP favorite. If he plays bad he is still at the stage that they question him as the long term QB.

Murphy is gone after this year. If you get the guy you can then let go of Hughes or Addison as well and both would not be a huge amount of dead cap. Jefferson could be gone as well. I think its a no brainer if you can get him for a 2nd. How can you justify Diggs for a 1st and not this guy for a 2nd. Bigger need is only logic, but I would say our pass rush is a huge need.

This displays the bias. With Allen is everyone else fault for anything bad, but all him for anything good. For every other QB anything good is because of others. Ok I get it now. Look at BALT pre Lamar. Look at SF pre Garrapolo Look at GB with and without Rodgers HOU before Watson KC before Mahomes Those offenses are night and day with different QB's. The Bills have yet to match the Tyrod days of production. And dont tell me how Tyrod had a great supporting cast, it was horrendous. Allen is the only QB of these that has not transformed his offense.

Here is the problem right here. The bar is WAAAAAYYYYYYY too low. You look at that game as an example of Allen being the entire offense. Many Bills fans that desperately want Allen to be the guy may think the same. Most people would watch that game and say the opposite. A young QB that hopefully learns from that game and gets better. Josh would admit to you he was not good enough. He wishes he can have a do-over. The coaches know this. But he is young and has a ton of upside. He will get smarter and the game will slow down. Hopefully he can get control over his arm and learn how to make the throws that he is struggling with as a young QB.

And we got obliterated by the Eagles at our house. It happens. Look at more data - The Bills were 1-5 vs teams with winning records and the one win was vs a bad Tenn team, before they turned it around.

I would 100% bet my life on it that if Allen was on any other team this board would not be so high on him. Fact. Anyone who is not a fan, does not watch and read all the Bills produced media or just a Bills supporter would look at his numbers or watch the big games (playoffs, NE, etc) and have doubts. I am a Bills fan and I try to keep it real. I would take Josh and his potential over many QB's. But I am still critical and have no problem with those that say he could hold this team back. If he progresses and the rest of the squad just maintains we have a Super Bowl contender. If he does not progress, this is easily back to being a team that is fighting for a final playoff spot which makes it a #12-18 ranked team.

Do it. If they will take Kroft then great. If not, throw in a draft pick or whatever vet OL/DL we plan on cutting.

Not if the rest of the AFCE grades out worse. MIA QB: C- RB: C+ TE: C- WR: C+ OL:C+ CB: C+ S: C+ LB: B- DL: B- ST: B NE QB: C RB: C+ TE: D+ WR: B- OL: B+ CB: B+ S: B+ LB: C+ DL: C ST: C NYJ QB: C+ RB: B TE: C- WR: C OL: C- CB: C- S: B LB: C DL: B- ST: C

This is called being a fan. You see your player differently than others. You make excuses and justifications for your guy. It is ok for Allen not to be a finished product after two years. He can still be a megastar in this league. He has ways to go. But it is extremely naive to claim that he was one of the best QB's in the league last year. To set the record straight again. I do not disregard his running. Without it I would not want him starting at QB at this point in his career. His running makes up for weaknesses in his game and will always have value. Someday it will not be his saving grace but just an added bonus.

I agree with you in theory regarding play style. Josh has more of the tools and traits needed to succeed long term in the league than Jackson. But as of today all things being equal and against the exact same defenses I still say Jackson is the better QB. Hopefully after this season that is put to rest and Allen shows he is the guy. Put another way - if I need to win a game tomorrow then I take Jackson as my QB. If I want to win for the next 10 years I am more likely to take Allen.

That may be how you see it but most non-Bills fans would not agree with you. Jackson was excellent as a pocket passer last year. Lets look at some of your comments: 3rd and 7+ Jackson: 30-51 for 436 resulting in 19 1st downs; 1 Int Allen was: 40-71 for 529 resulting in 22 1st downs; 1 int Jackson - more accurate, more efficient and more success getting the first down Play Action Jackson: 66.3% completion % on non-play action vs. 65.5% on play action 30% of TD's on play action 28% of yards on play action QB Rating 120 on play action vs 110 Allen: 57.1% completion % on non-play action vs. 65.6% on play action 40% of TD's on play action 25% of yards on play action QB Rating 112 on play action vs 79 Allen benefited more than Jackson utilizing the play action. Allen shows a much larger statistical difference on play action plays than Jackson. Time in Pocket Jackson: >2.5 secs completes 64% of passes Allen: >2.5 secs completes 48% of passes Jackson is much more accurate when having time in pocket.

How so?

Only mention the record because of the call out of facts. The opinion is he should be considered 7-4 but the fact is that he is 7-5. That is what the record books will show. Not looking to debate or argue anything, it is what it is. Lamar Jackson is a better passer than Josh Allen as of now. I do think the running part of his game will be less significant as teams game plan to limit it and he will rely more on his passing skills. It is much easier for a defense to scheme around limiting a running QB than a passing one. Still an important skillset but to be a QB you need to be able to throw the rock.

Lets keep it real and honest. I was referencing passing stats and said not sure where the 21 TD's comes from. I never said rushing TD's dont count. And talk about inaccurate facts: "And maybe if we didn’t have scrubs like Zay, McKenzie, Foster, etc rotating as our starters opposite Brown all year" - Zay and Foster barely played. McK was our gadget WR. It was Brown, Beasley, Knox, and Singletary in most sets. Sprinkle in McK, D Williams, Roberts, etc. He was not second to only Lamar. Just a quick search shows Brees had 26 TD's, Tannehill 26, Winston 25, Wilson 24, Watson 24, Dak at 23, Garappolo 23, Cousins 23, Fitzpatrick 23, and a few more with 21. His stats show he was 7-5 not 7-4. You can put a asterisk but that does not change the "fact". Rushing TD's do count. Without his rushing ability Allen is not even close to the same QB he is. It supplements the shortfalls in his passing game. But as the NFL has shown is not sustainable. A QB needs to be able to throw the ball. Allen as a throwing QB is not there yet.

He only had 20 TD's all year. Not sure were the 21 TD's comes from. And from week 5-17 he threw for over 250 yd's 2 times (300 zero times). He completed less than 60% of his passes 5 times. QB rating in 60's 4 times. The team was 7-5. He was not dominant. He was a game manager.

I think it is the intent. I am assuming but this has the looks of a "if your going to punish bad white people why not punish bad black people".

Does not mean they are not trying. He could be waiting things out to find the best landing spot. No reason for him to rush.

Another way to ask the question who would they trade that is tradeable... Murphy Kroft Yeldon Long