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He was in the top 3 or 4 from like Week 5 on.
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Im definitely interested in Baker but there’s unfortunately no All 22 film of him in the database I’m using. Just haven’t gotten to the other 3 but just off of reading and watching some regular highlights, I don’t think I’ll be a fan of Wilson but we’ll see. I didn’t expect to like Coleman as much as I did or dislike Worthy and Tez.
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I’d like to see the bowl game when he played without Nabers. Field Yates said you finally get a glimpse of what he can do beyond vertical routes. But I agree, seems limited to vertical routes right now. I still like him a lot because I think he’s legitimately elite at those routes and will demand safety help and you just kinda hope the rest of his game develops. Particularly for a team like ours where we’re trying to win now, it’s important to have at least one thing you can really hang your hat on. Thomas definitely has that. I think guys like Coleman, Franklin, Wilson, McConkey, and Pearsall have that too. Polk, not really, but he’s good enough at a bunch of things that I think he could be helpful. The rest that I’ve watched I think are more developmental pieces than immediate contributors.
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Some others I finished up since this post (can you tell work has been extremely slow?): Ricky Pearsall (Early or Mid 2), below McConkey and could be convinced to bump him below Polk/Wilson due to his age but I think his film is better than those two Ja’Lynn Polk (Mid 2nd), probably above Roman Wilson Malachi Corley (Late 3rd or Early Day 3), would slot him after Legette. Don’t think he’s really what we need as he played almost exclusively in the slot and is raw as a route runner. Impressive athlete and solid hands though; a lot of areas for potential improvement Jalen McMillan (UDFA), he’d be last on my list so far. Just don’t think he really has anything to offer.
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I think I’m right around the consensus on him as far as draft grades go but everyone seems to expect teams to reach on him. Derrik Klassen for example is one of the guys I really like for scouting and he landed on a 3rd round grade for him. I believe Dane Brugler is around mid to late 2nd for Mitchell too, so I don’t really think I’m seeing things that others aren’t. He’s a pretty good prospect but not as far along developmentally as I would like given the fact that we’re trying to win now. One of my main hang ups with him is he’s already a pretty good technical route runner but still struggles to create separation due to his average or below average burst. Some other prospects may not create great separation now, but you can convince yourself if they learn to sell their routes/sink their hips in their routes better, it’ll come. Mitchell already does that stuff and still doesn’t really separate, so it may be more difficult for him to improve in that regard. The other one, and this is where I think there’s more potential for him, is he doesn’t consistently use his height and length to win contested balls. He’s pretty weak physically and can be outmuscled right now/has a hard time fighting through the contact to high point the ball. The lack of strength shows up as a run blocker too where he’s simply bad right now. I think he’s fairly similar to Keon Coleman but Coleman is more ready to contribute on Day 1 despite being like 8 months younger and also offers more all around upside IMO. Mitchell’s still a pretty good prospect in his own right though; I just think there’s better players we can bet on.
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I know a lot of people fancy him. He’s firmly a guy I would rather let another team deal with considering where he’s going to be drafted. Bad hands, bad effort, too finesse. He has speed/quickness and can track the ball in the air so teams will take him and try to turn him into a big play guy. You’re really taking him because he’s young and has tools and hoping to develop him but given how lazy he looks on the field, he’s not a guy I want to bet on developing.
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Maybe my hottest take re: Bills uniforms is I think the white helmets look much better than the red personally. I wouldn’t mind throwing the red in as a throwback now and then but I love our current set of uniforms.
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I think I’d slot him above Roman Wilson but same draft range. I like him; not sure he’s particularly great at any one thing but he’s pretty good all around and versatile enough where he can kinda fill in wherever we have gaps.
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I definitely think Walker and Thomas are in the same mold as primarily vertical threats. I was not impressed with Tez’s ability against press though which is a big deal to me if you’re going to be mostly limited to vertical routes from out wide. He had a handful of bad drops in the games I watched and that plagued him at the Senior Bowl too. He’s definitely dangerous if you give him a free release though. Edit: Was talking about Thomas but wrote Mitchell originally. Whoops.
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I’ve gone through a handful today as well. I would probably stack them up this way (where I’d be comfortable taking them in parentheses) Brian Thomas (Mid 1st) Troy Franklin (1st) Keon Coleman (1st) Ladd McConkey (Early 2nd) Roman Wilson (Mid 2nd) Brenden Rice (2nd) Adonai Mitchell (Late 2/Early 3) Xavier Legette (3rd) Jamari Thrash (Day 3) Tez Walker (Day 3) Xavier Worthy (Late Day 3/UDFA)
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Last one for tonight: Troy Franklin. I like him. Of the 5 I’ve watched All 22 of, he’s probably #2 on my list. His differentiator compared to the other 4 is he does a nice job using stutter steps and head fakes to set up his slants and curls; kinda reminiscent of Stevie a little bit. The other thing is he just understands his assignment. On in breaking routes, he’ll do whatever it takes to make sure he has inside leverage. He’ll eagerly run interference/picks to free up his teammates. When Nix had the option to keep the ball and bounce it outside, Franklin would lead his defender towards the middle of the field to give Nix more running space. Definitely not as explosive getting deep as Brian Thomas and more susceptible to getting slowed down by handsy DBs, but still pretty good vertical threat and definitely runs a more versatile route tree than a Thomas. He did unfortunately have a few concentration drops in the two games I watched.
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Xavier Worthy: Basically the opposite reaction compared to when I watched Coleman film. Went in expecting to like Worthy and have crossed him off my list entirely. He’s very fast and has a knack for double moves. That’s about the only nice thing I have to say. Mel Kiper talked about how he’s a dog that played through a broken hand and doesn’t care if he’s the #1 option as long as he helps his team win, but he looks like someone that just doesn’t like football to me. I thought Legette was bad in terms of half assing it when the play wasn’t designed for him…Worthy quarter asses it. Maybe he figures it out when he’s in the pros, but this is the kind of prospect where I would much rather not take him and end up being wrong than taking him.
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Watched a few Keon Coleman games. He definitely is not the separator type of receiver that I would prefer, but I can see how he could be a valuable player. If he pans out, he’ll be the type of WR that you feel comfortable throwing it too when the defense is holding everyone and we’re all frustrated that it isn’t being called. Hold him all you want, but Allen can just throw it back shoulder to him, and there’s nothing you can really do to stop that. He beats press coverage pretty well to the point that most DBs give up trying to press him, but unfortunately just doesn’t have the speed to pull away. I do think with his size, strength, and ability to box out DBs, he can potentially be a solid vertical threat but it’ll definitely look different than it does for a speedster like Thomas, Worthy, etc. He’s better after the catch than you expect; he has underrated flexibility and agility with the ball in his hands. He also does a nice job of seeing the QB roll out and trying to give him somewhere to throw to which is something we may miss when Gabe likely leaves this offseason. Also similar to Gabe, he is a very willing run blocker. At Michigan State, they’d pull him across the formation to be a lead blocker like you see teams do with their guards. On top of that, he also does a nice job selling fake run blocks and then leaking behind the defense for potential cheap yards. Ultimately, I liked his tape more than I expected. We’ll have to see how I feel when I finish scouting the rest, but for now, Coleman is someone I could be okay with at 28 even if he isn’t who I am hoping for.
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Rattler certainly does not do those receivers many favors but I just don’t see Legette getting open outside of some crossers and the occasional post. Legette also had one of those plays that we get on Gabe for all the time where he just made no effort to break up an INT against Clemson but it was the only time that type of situation really popped up so no idea if that’s a pattern for him. One other thing: can’t really speak to it with Thomas because Jayden Daniels almost never throws once he breaks the pocket, but Legette doesn’t seem to really do anything to get open once Rattler starts rolling out to buy time like Allen does a lot.
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Started watching All 22 focused on some WRs today. Decided to begin with Xavier Legette and Brian Thomas as they feel like two guys that would fill similar roles. I have heard that Brian Thomas showed off some versatility in the final game of the season when Nabers was out but that is not a game I have film on. I watched two games of each of these guys on All 22, so about 40 minutes on each of them. Thomas definitely looks like a one trick pony, but he is very very good at that one trick. He’s nowhere near the sheer weight that DK was in college, but he’s similarly excellent at beating press coverage and getting behind the defense very quickly. Definitely does not look like the type to get open over the middle of the field, but you put him outside and send him deep and he’ll either draw two defenders and help give our other receivers more space to work with or he’ll be single covered and be open more often than not. He’s simply difficult for DBs to get their hands on and if they don’t get their hands on him, he’s nearly impossible to keep up with. Flat out not good at any other routes right now though with the exception of maybe curls due to the pressure his speed puts on DBs. Also seemed to have okay awareness finding holes to squat down in against the zone. He could definitely be more physical as a blocker but he’ll at least get his hands on someone and will run down the field to help on long runs. Xavier Legette…I just don’t see it personally. He doesn’t beat press well and is kinda slow out of the gates. Better getting out of breaks than Thomas in my opinion but still not very good. Doesn’t have the game breaking acceleration to put a lot of vertical pressure on the defense. One positive is he’ll pretty much always pick up a couple yards after contact due to his brute strength. Not aware of where the zone coverage is. Disappointing blocker considering his size; he just doesn’t try very hard. Ultimately he seems like someone you’ll have to scheme open and then you can take advantage of the YAC skills but he’s someone I would gladly pass on personally. As some of The Athletic guys have said, if he’s still there in the 3rd or 4th round, that’s a different value proposition but I’d be very disappointed if he was our choice at 28.
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I put together a spreadsheet that lists this as well as many other things: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12pCgsJPa9X-jjNMOZ_exJTAEfxmZOeETzEm8SNkuXec/edit
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He might be referring to this. It’s also available as a podcast instead of video if you prefer it that way.
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I think Washington should absolutely go QB at 2. I personally have Maye rated higher than Caleb so Chicago taking Caleb is perfect IMO. But I’m sure with Caleb growing up in DC and having the superstar aura around him already, Washington would love to bring him home and get their fans excited for the first time in awhile. Having said that, USC’s offense with Kingsbury and Caleb was absolutely garbage to watch. I don’t know how anyone could watch what they did this season and think that’s what they want to emulate in the NFL. TLDR: there’s a lot of non football reasons for Washington to want Caleb but I think they are in a perfect spot right now where they can get who I believe is the best QB without needing to trade up and use their many other draft picks to add some much needed talent to the roster.
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If it was from 2023, this does not apply, but I believe he was playing in 2022 with a broken hand.
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I didn’t think his tape at UNC was particularly impressive either to be honest. There’s definitely good traits in there but nobody on that team really created separation consistently or caught the ball well IMO. I was admittedly more focused on the QB than the WRs though so I’ll probably go back and focus on Tez specifically later.
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Per PFF he's bottom 3 in the class in terms of avoided tackles and YAC per reception. They have him down for 164 YAC out of 535 this season and 93 out of 337 the year before. The 476 is simply inaccurate; that would mean he only had 59 air yards this season on 34 catches, meaning his average catch was less than 2 yards down the field. Even a short highlight video from this season would show you that can't possibly be true.
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2 drops on 105 career targets. On the downside, he's going to give you almost nothing after the catch. He almost literally never makes anybody miss and is near the bottom of the class in terms of YAC per reception. He's looked okay at the Senior Bowl so far but definitely has not stood out like some others have.
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Hamler is undeniably fast, but he's never been good in terms of of the deep ball. In his NFL career, he's caught 6/21 deep targets. In college, he was a more respectable 17/42, but 40% is still not very good. Isabella was 34/84 in college, which is the exact same % as Hamler. Isabella is also entering his 6th season now and has shown almost literally nothing to this point in his career. These guys are both training camp fodder/should be replaced if we draft well IMO.