Maine-iac

Just watching the game now. Richardson made some nice plays. He had a good run brought back for holding and a nice pass deep that the WR didn't catch. I think he'll go as far as his OC gets him. We were lucky that Daboll turned out to be a great OC and helped Allen begin his career. The coaching will make a big difference in how far Richardson makes it.

I think Davis is great, hope he plays great all year this year. That said he's going to demand way more than we have to pay him. Let him showcase himself and help us win a SB and Shakir or Shorter can take over outside when Davis gets his payday.

Hackett, Schwartz, and Van Pelt ............... this is a trip down memory lane.

That was pretty Browns esque.

What's Roseane up to these days?

Nothing like listening to Collinsworth to make you miss Romo.

What is he doing with his hands?

If you get stuck you can call Matt ...............

Conservative and a good defense will win you games. I would much rather have a great QB and a great defense but for the sake of a Taylor discussion if Cleveland had Bass for a kicker the Browns would have been 2 and 1 with Taylor and possible 3 and 0 if they tied it at the end of the Saints game and had won in overtime. I feel almost ridiculous defending the guy because he wasn't an elite QB and we certainly are much better with Allen but people make him sound a lot worse than he was. The one thing he lacked the most is not on a stat sheet. He just didn't have "it". That 4th quarter game on the line and you pull something out of your butt type stuff. Allen even early on as a rookie showed it. Taylor never had it. When his run was over I wasn't surprised or upset.

Wow. Most peoples opinion very from he was ok to he was trash and the variation is largely based on if they actually know how well he played with help vs with no help. I'm not going to argue opinions (and that's all they are) about how good or bad he was. Allen is clearly much much better but people don't understand how often he had no one to throw to and how his stats almost directly correlate from good to bad based on how bad his receivers were. It also helps if you even know what seasons he played.

We haven't even won a SB with Allen and people complain. Taylor never had a chance. He wasn't a first round pick, he wasn't ever invested in to be a franchise QB, and by his final season (the playoff year) the plan was already in stone to draft a QB. When Watkins and Woods were healthy (which wasn't often especially together) Taylor was good passer. He was always a great runner and for a defensive team he did not turn the ball over. Problem was our defense didn't show up time and time again his first few seasons starting and the final season we were mortgaging everything for our next QB and Taylor was throwing to Deonte Thompson and Zay Jones (and people complain about Davis). Taylor was never as good as Allen would become and I'm happy we moved on but I'll be the first on to say if Watkins hadn't been a bust and we had a defense Taylor would have seen the playoffs several times.

Silver lining ............. Dantzler was (according to this) as good in coverage as any of our CB's listed and now he's a Bill.

Davis had 6 catches 93 yards and a TD in that game. Guess Peterson didn't know everything. We were up 3 scores with 2:00 left in the third quarter. Bad ball management, bad defense, and fumbling in your own end zone caused that. None of those things had to do with Davis. Davis is as much a decoy as Diggs he's just easier to stop but the cost should be underneath throws which Beasley used to make and Josh used to throw. Josh frequently looked off easier throws and threw deep and I'm guessing it had as much to do with not trusting the guys underneath as it did with over estimating what Davis could do. My guess is a healthy dose of a running game (I still don't trust them to commit to it) and some of our off season additions should address those things.

Looking at the big picture the passing game in general dipped the second half of the season (2022) and we employed more of the running game and finished the season strong ................... and then all but abandoned it in January. The Miami game we came out stomping on them and then up two scores we are throwing and let them back in the game. Ultimately what I'm saying is run the ball more and the passing stats will become more efficient. I'm not sure there would be a ton more yardage and touchdowns but the efficiency of the passing game would be a lot better if we tried to run the ball and hit a few check downs instead of throwing 70 something times at Davis at an average of almost 16 yards down the field.

No doubt ........... was saying the same thing.

Yes but how many snaps did he play?

Just because of all the snap count talk I was looking into it and from mid season on nobody played more snaps on the D line than Oliver and he actually averaged 70 percent per game the second half of the season. Seeing how he was injured the first half it stands to reason he played less then. More than Hargrove or Cox over the second half of the season. About on par with Reader but not as many as Hill or Jones. I think Reader is a great comparison actually. The money is similar the play is similar. About where it lies for me. A middle of the road contract for a solid player with a hint of upside left at his age. If we resigned him at 21 or 22 mil a year like Hargrove or Payne I'd feel a lot worse about it. Sign a big bodied DT to play beside him he plays the role of penetrating DT pretty well and stands a good chance of playing up to the dollar value of what we signed him at. https://www.footballguys.com/stats/snap-counts/teams?team=BUF&year=2022

We had no one signed after this season. We weren't going to sign someone better for less. We weren't going to sign someone as good for less. We weren't going to draft someone who was going to come in and play better from day one as a rookie. Given what Hargreaves and Tomlinson got paid Oliver is right in line. Funny sportrac statistics has Oliver's snap % listed higher than Hargreaves. I'm not going back to look but I swear someone was arguing a DT needed to play 70 percent of the snaps

I mean Dline yes ............. DT no.

Who are we getting at DT for 15 mil a year?

Didn't Saffold make the Pro Bowl ?

They signed McKenzie to a bigger contract than Crowder during the same off season. Possibly they signed McKenzie before Crowder (I can't remember). At the very least he must have been expected to compete for the slot job at some point. Not surprised Crowder got it. The breaking point for me was that not only was he hot and cold playing WR he couldn't be trusted returning kicks either.

I don't wholly agree but I can't really argue against what you are saying. I feel like Beane's investments were good and had we not had the rash of injuries and ended the season the way we did last year everyone would feel fine with everything. The reality is we did have the injuries and there's no way to tell so I have no tangible way to argue that. My hope is that a healthy Miller rushing the passer and a healthy secondary combined with McDermott calling the defense will have the defense firing on all cylinders and we'll be back knocking on the SB door and hopefully kicking it down. ps I don't think we should sleep on Epenesa yet. He had a number of good flashes the more he played after Miller went down.

Isn't Hargreaves getting over 21 mil per season and over 80 mil for the life of the deal? Oliver's deal (according to ESPN) works out to 15.75 mil per season. It seems like they are getting paid accordingly.