Maine-iac

Tell me again which coaches we have that have done great things with QB's and passing games.

Jay Cutler?

We'd be smart to take that trade.

Who's developing Allen? Daboll with his TE skills and 17ppg OC history or McDermott who's a DC by trade? I don't even hate the Allen pick so much as I don't think we have the OL, WR's, or coaching staff to develop anyone. If we had any real offensive minds we would have been able to score with the players we had last year like Lynn and Roman were able to do.

Somebody remind me again if Brady is strong armed or accurate? At least he is a big guy. With no OL left he'll take a pounding.

Per Bill Barnwell The Bills take the biggest risk from this quarterback class in Josh Allen, whose statistical profile draws similarities to the likes of Jake Locker and JaMarcus Russell. So the ceiling is Jay Cutler 2.0?

We were doing everything right and then the Jets made the trade to cut in front of us and we have been falling on our faces ever since. They're now debating if improving accuracy is viable. Best case scenario we just drafted Cutler 2.0.

nobody iimproves dramatically through the draft process ......... Kiper is a D-bag.

son of a B word

Hopefully we still have 22!

this better be Rosen!!!!

I love how we talk about the huge need for a "franchise" QB but then think we can trade the 12th pick in the draft plus multiple other picks and then sit on our thumbs for years for them to be ready. Either this is old school play defense and sound offense bring the QB along over several seasons or this is the trade everything for a "franchise" QB, all in, the only way NFL that most of this board thinks it is. No way we are trading Cordy Glen, Dareous (essentially), plus the 12th pick in the draft to take a QB and then have a career backup start. If he's that good of a QB he'll be able to play week 1 with my only exception being if the OC is again incapable of dialing up a game plan that can keep the other team from eating us alive.

A lot of this depends on the offense. If we draft a QB and Daboll has them throwing for 250 or 300 yards a game and we are scoring 21 plus points but he throws a few picks type of deal I will feel like we can get it together. If Daboll is super conservative and we push a rookie QB out there and he's throwing about as many times as Tyrod did but throwing more picks (because he's a rookie) and we are scoring 18 points a game and generally looking non competitive again I'm not going to blame the QB. At the very least I'm not going to start with the QB. Get an OC who knows how to run a competitive NFL offense. We have just as much riding on our pick at OC as we do any pick at QB.

You got me. Clearly I have failed to recognize the dynasty here. So new CB, LB's, DT on defense and then a whole new offense and outside of McCoy and KB an almost completely new set of players starting but other than that I suppose you're right.

I can only hope that the board can forgive my carelessness.

If I had your confidence ......... Not even being sarcastic. I've been doing this too long and feeling like they are losing the offseason like they lose the regular season is not fun. Wrong or right if I just felt like everything was great it would be nice. So sick of losing and then also feeling like they are going in the wrong direction. I'm all for drafting a QB but they've been outmanuevered as far as draft position and now we have little offensive line and no pass catchers. That's before we introduce a professional coach who's career point scoring average a little over 2 field goals. It's just too much. I need to step away. Come back for the preseason and hope the coaches and GM have made some fixes.

...... because they couldn't throw Thompson a bone. I'll be surprised if Clay is on the roster for more than a couple games let alone all 16.

To double down on this the fact is even if we are running the ball at all and McCoy is healthy they only really have to cover KB because there is no one else except for the handful of games that our TE's show up. If we don't get a lead we are not going to throw for wins. Even if we somehow pull off moving up and getting a "franchise" QB, and god forbid we miss on that pick, the line is desimated and our OC has done nothing in the NFL to show he's capable other than be really really like-able for what that's worth. That's just the offense. On defense we lost the guy who while not spectacular was the QB of the front 7 and Preston Brown can be replaced but as of now hasn't been. Again it's much like the Talyor situation. Could we arguably do better? Sure. Will we? There's a good chance we don't. No telling if Star is any better than Dareous and if the D is any better. Sure the secondary should be alright. They were all right last year but that doesn't mean much when teams are running for 200 yards and mulitiple TD's on you every week. The whole "plan/process" seemed legit until the Jets beat us to the punch trading up into the top 5. Now without trading the farm we are not in the hunt for one of the top 4 QB's of which I only like about 2. I believe in two things. Talent and coaching. If you have those two things the law of averages will usually work itself in your favor. We have coaching on the defense but we currently lost a considerable amount of talent and it's arguable that Dareous was one move too many last year. On offense we've been on an absolute skid for 3 straight seasons. They have been hemorrhaging talent on offense. Double that with the losses of Roman and Lynn, say what you want they could do better than Dennison and most likely will leave Badoll in the dust also. So this is really only my first or second post in months. I don't want to B word. So I'll lurk and wait and hope that they pull out some magic and make everything roses but for now in my mind a couple offseasons ago we were a decent DC away from being a good team and now we are doing the same old switch a roo that we do every 4 to 5 years.

Literally the most entertaining thread I've read in months.

This whole thing seems like a bad joke. A team that's won 1 game in 2 seasons gets a QB with a winning record that took his team to the playoffs for the first time in 17 years and we are going to tell them to hate that. He's been a decent game manager with scrub receivers and will now be throwing to Gordon and Landry. At the end of the day the Browns can try to get a "franchise QB" and still have a competent game manager if their draft pick fails or needs a year. They have pass catchers in place and a good 0C to help Taylor and bring a rookie along. Currently we have a questionable 0C, no QB worth trotting on the field, and will have to bring in players who have never been here before so at best we can only hope they pan out. I don't think we are currently in any position to be looking down our noses at anyone.

Hey I liked Taylor but they turned a 6th round FA into a 3rd round pick. They need to get someone in here now. I wouldn't mind Foles.

Marrone reminds me a lot of Caughlin and Rex reminds me of Glanville if people remember him. I think Marrone will be more consistent and probably over his career successful. Rex had his flash of stardom. He's lucky he had the co-ordinators he did and the talent. Either people caught up to his defense or he isn't that good of a coach but his run of success slid off the rails and I'm of the idea you'll never see it again.

I think Williams tied a record for consecutive games with a TD. Gillislee took that role over the end of that season and the next. A tackle breaking one cut runner is such a great change up with Shady.