Maine-iac

My own opinion but I think this is just the beginning. Veterans do not want to lay their last years on the line for a team that has no chance out of the gate. Say what you want but Rex left a team that just needed to learn how to play defense and last year they played defense and surprise, made the playoffs. Now a season later they have gone from a team that had a top ten scoring offense with a bottom half defense to a team that can make stops and get turnovers but averaged 18ppg last season. I'm not at all confident that they will average any better than that this year or next so I will not be surprised at all if veterans start to jump ship or end up mysteriously on IR by game 6.

Yet slice it any way you want the offense was top ten in scoring both seasons before Dennison came along. I get the premise of needing an elite passer and Tyrod is gone so water under the bridge but the notion that the offense was completely inept because Taylor didn't throw for 30 TD's is wrong. The offense with proper weapons in place would run for 160 yards on almost anyone and then throw an 80 yard bomb over your head but you can't do that with practice squad cast aways, Jordan Mathews and KB who for all the love is a bigger less productive Jordan Mathews. Now we all need to hope that Allen can work some magic and possibly even more importantly we better hope that Daboll is much better than his previous stops.

D E F E N S E You cannot give up over 23 ppg and win. Pats never give up more than 20. We were leading the league in scoring defense for the first 5 weeks and until we traded Dareous were shutting everyone down. The offense clearly suffered under Dennison and with no real recievers to speak of but with a good defense managed to eek out 9 wins. Just to add to that, Rex and his defense gave up 25 or more in half their games. Half. With the offense playing the way it did if that defense had done anything close to what McDermott did they would have made the playoffs easily.

Thank you for saying it for me.

That Kelsey time frame, they were in love with small defensive players. We were getting killed with our run defense and they kept drafting LB's sized DL players and safety sized LB's. I think Maybin happened then as well. Peters was talented and we developed him from nothing but he was a turd. He also gave up a ton of sacks and it seemed almost completely because he gave up on plays.

I'm going to go over the heads of any individual. Over the players, over the coaches, even owners and just say as a group or team it infuriates me that they just don't ever recognize and collectively just fix what's wrong. By that I mean each year you can pretty much put a finger on one area or part that isn't working and seemingly every year instead of just fixing the part that wasn't working they completely retool or tear apart what was working. The last time we had an offense that could outscore you and a defense that would sack you, cause turnovers, and keep you from scoring at the same time was back in the 90's. Now I know that everyone is trying to do that and I get it that it can't happen every year but it's been 20 years. When Chan was here they just needed a DC. When Rex was here oddly enough they just needed a DC. Seemingly now they need an OC hopefully Daboll is that OC but that remains to be seen, he wouldn't have been my pick. Marrone might have actually been building in the right direction with Hacket and Scwhartz, if you look at the Jags, but he wanted out. I just can't believe in 20 years they can't get it collectively together.

Without mentioning arm strength someone tell me why Allen is so much better than McCarron. I'm not saying AJ is better I just find it fascination that this thread is full of Taylor haters, people saying McCarron isn't going to be any good, yet outside of having "tremendous arm strength" there is not any more on film or paper to like about Allen then there is McCarron. Matter of fact, on paper and on the field in college, McCarron probably has done more. So then we have to talk development. Who here in Buffalo is going to create the "franchise" QB that we just traded a first and two second round picks to land? To address the thread topic I am fine with starting him day one or letting him sit and learn but it really doesn't matter either way if there is no veteran QB showing him the ropes or some Andy Reid like coach calling the plays and explaining the game to him.

If we are talking QB's and the passing game then Daboll's last gig is nothing to get excited about. They only managed to top 200 yards passing twice and were pretty much there to not screw it up for the defense. I think McDemott is a great defensive mind but being assistant to Reid does not in anyway mean he's ready to coach QB's otherwise he would have recognized how bad Dennison was botching the talent management side of OC last year. Instead he threw Peterman in there who clearly wasn't ready. I'm neither here nor there on the pick of Allen. I think he is what they said he is, a great arm talent, good mobility, and a project. The choice of Daboll as OC on the other hand I've scratched my head at all along. There is nothing to suggest he's ready to take an NFL offense to the next level.

Jesus ........... first throw of the Central Michigan game was almost a pick. Was this post supposed to be funny? Am I missing something?

Just commenting because I literally read all this and got excited enough to dive into the pile of videos you have here. 2 plays into the first video and Allen has thrown a pick and ran around the corner and took a hit that will certainly shorten his NFL career if he does so with regularity and he's playing Utah State. Judging from how excited you were/are I'm guessing it gets better but not what I expected so far. Yeah I actually turned the Utah State game off. It was disgusting. He is athletic and elusive. His line is not great. Guys didn't seem sure handed. All that said he threw a pick first play of the game and could have been picked at least two more times. Too high for his RB on a swing pass and almost got his WR's killed several times. I'll try the next game after a breather.

We complain about the passing attack and bring in a guy who only had two games with a QB that threw for over 200 yards last season. I guess that seems a little off to me.

Alabama didn't have a QB throw for more than 250 yards all season and only over 200 twice all season. Not sure anything is going to create the Air Coryell and especially Daboll and this WR group.

I think our WR "issue" will somewhat fall in Daboll's hands as much as the QB, RB, and OL issues do. A year ago everyone was saying our defense will be awful with the players we had and I said if McDermott is as advertised it will be much improved with or without a ton of talent. I don't have that same faith in Daboll to turn around the offense and that is why I didn't like the hire. That said if he is good, and ultimately was worth hiring, he will be able to get WR's open even without elite talent. Dennison left me scratching my head a number of times and ran a game plan that put WR's in a spot where the only real option was to physically get separation. Watch McDaniel's offense and you'll see guys running open by a mile who are no where near speedsters.

Nothing has changed. I liked him when he was here and I like him in Cleveland. You are allowed to not like him as much as I'm allowed to like him. I liked Fred and Stevie and continued to like them when they left. So the difference here really is that you don't like him therefore you don't like me posting about it. It is in a thread that I didn't create and is titled about him. I'm not creating threads saying we are doomed because we let Tyrod go. I actually think our QB situation has a lot of potential with both McCarron and Allen. Every other part of the offense, aside from McCoy, is a nightmare and I'm not sold on the OC choice and I don't feel like waiting 3 seasons find out if we gambled and won/lost. I am sick of not being competitive and trust the process doesn't cut it for me.

Point A you are right, I missed that. Point B I have suggestions where you can go play but I'll do what you should have and keep them to myself.

You are right Mayfield should definately end up starting at some point. I just haven't seen anything saying it in black and white yet. It would be funny if Taylor gets traded to Denver. Everyone rumored him going there at one point. I just wish things weren't so bleak, Allen excluded obviously he's got huge potential, on the offensive side. Coaching is an unknown, OL is pretty unsettled, and our pass catchers are way below par. Actually the QB position on offense might be the least upsetting going into next season. I like Allen and McCarron. You didn't ask why, as in the reason, you asked why the event was going to happen period. As in it will happen and you know it.

If Tyrod has “success”, why is Mayfield going to take the reigns this season? If you ask why Mayfield will become starter you are saying Taylor will not be the starter. If you know this then show the source or is it just your opinion? Like I said it could happen but you don't know that.

It could happen but since you seem positive show me your source saying Tyrod isn't the starter as of right now. Every source I've seen says Taylor is the starter.

There are stats, I'm not dragging it all up again, but yes statisticaly Taylor was good at producing first downs especially given the down and distances he faced. We've moved on but I think all the moves on offense making the statement that we are better is at best an opinion and a hope. I am, with Taylor or without, a believer in build the defense first and run the football. I think adding Allen to when we had Orton and had just drafted Watkins would have been great (if we had kept our coaching staff). Having completely ripped the offense apart the notion of putting it back together seems too far away. I'm not lobbing the notion that I'm a crappy fan on myself for feeling annoyed at waiting possibly years to see the playoffs again. I hope they nailed it and everything works but I don't feel bad about being skeptical.

What makes this different than all the other "rebuildings"? Someone answer that question. Is hope all we've got? Am I wrong because I don't "trust" the process anymore. The Jaguars made the playoffs last year with good defense and Bortles. They continue to try to find better pass catchers and make the defense better. Who do you think will have more success over the next 3 to 5 seasons? That isn't a statement of me saying the Jaquars will but an honest question. We are playing the long game, really long.

No and neither do you. Statistically he faced worse down and distance than most QB's and still produced. That is a fact. I'm not arguing about this all day. It's water under the bridge. I'm also not drinking the kool aid. We brought a new guy in who's been labeled by pro scouts a big armed project and he's being teamed up with a decimated OL and an OC with a less than stellar track record. It's not hard to imagine things going bad.

Nobody wins based on yardage and that is the cry of the move on from Tyrod crowd. Hey you won. Now we just need results. We obviously did this to score points so when Allen puts up 24 plus ppg two seasons in a row I'll call the whole thing a success. That seems fair enough. I've even hoping he does. I'm just being honest saying that there is a huge risk involved. I think that is also fair.

Remember when Taylor had Watkins and Woods, both on the field, and made the probowl in 14 games? Now watch with Landry and Gordon and promise me we will get better QB production in either of the next two seasons.

Someone tell me how this "process" is different than Marrone with Schwartz/Pettine and Hackett in 2014/15? Is Daboll better than Hackett? We certainly don't have anywhere near the talent. How long until the "rebuild" starts yielding results. Bring in a different QB? I was on board with that. That said I we had 7 picks in the first 3 rounds and ended up with 3 players one of them being a QB who by all accounts needs work with accuracy and reading defenses. I stopped drinking the kool aid on coaches with "processes" a long time ago. A good coach comes in and changes the offense/defense from playing bad to playing well. You stop the other team from scoring and you yourself score more. You acquire more talent to do so. This idea that one player is the absolute beginning and end of it all is absurd. I will certainly hope for Allen's success because at this point the alternative is another 2/3 years in the crapper and most likely another regime change.