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I say hes a hold. Nothing wrong with him as our #4 DE. He can develop this year. I dont want to go DE in the draft I want to see if this kid has something

I think everyone can stop thinking about Perriman now

Bahahaha.

But why? Some people on here have such a fascination with trying to spend nkt only cash but now draft capital on a backup QB who will never play unless Josh gets hurt.

I'm always shocked when good players get traded for late picks. Except for when we traded Dareus . That time we traded a bad apple for a late pick.

A top 20 offence and I will consider it a successful Josh Allen season.

The bolded is very interesting to me. Thanks for that big time! Now Dean Kindig is doing a disservice to Perine comparing him to Bell. Perine weighed 216 at the combine with those numbers. Bell weighed 230 at his combine. That's a big difference

I hope the Dolphins pay that price and move 3 firsts

Here for those that want to watch for themselves (all targets not snaps)

The OP listed him in his big 4 and concludes that none of them will be available at 54.

Weve been down this road before. Beane said no before when he could have had him for basically free. Highly unlikely he wants him now

I'm not thrilled with Murphy like most but Penny is pretty average. I'd rather hold onto Murphy who can be our 3rd DE then to trade for Penny who would be competing with Yeldon. Keep Murphy draft an RB

Good research! For me I have Akers in the top 4 and CEH as my #5 but it's not a huge difference. Dillon after that 5 is my favorite back Hes potentially the next D Henry if he starts running more angry. I love Z Moss tape. He runs angry like Marshawn and runs guys over. He had a poor 40 at the combine but "maybe" improved on it? Hes probably still a round 4 guy. But a guy we could use to close out games. I really like L Perine and J Kelly. Neither look like they have high end potential but both could be Jordan Howard Howard types. Just solid backups. D Evan's is so quick. We saw R Mostert carve out a role in San Fran so no reason this dude maybe cant do the same. At worst hes a speedy 3rd down guy. McFarland is an interesting guy. He profiles similar to Singletary. A smaller guy but elusive. Does show nice hands. Seems to me more like a 3ed down guy again. Lots of RB talent in the draft and I really hope we grab one of these guys.

It's not an outrageous take by you. I dont agree but his ceiling is huge.

Dang he came cheap too.

The deep ball stats aren't always black and white . Watching the film to see why he misses is the grey. If stats were everything then you could argue Odell is a poor WR. There's more to a player then just stat watching .

That's fair. And I was connecting the dots of Daboll ripping him and Allen throwing to a 'safe spot' Again I wish I had the clips but from watching his deep balls that missed they were always on the WR side and not on the DB side which to me says he's putting it where he wants it. Now if the ball was all over the place I'd be more concerned but his misses were 90% to the side of the WR away from the DB I'm going to assume you read the entire first post where I tried to explain his missed deep throws this year. Some of it is again explained above to Scott. Again he's not perfect and I'm not trying to emphasize that. What I am is that he's improving and he's not as bad as the numbers indicate

His stats say he was poor I agree. But what I'm trying to say is he's improving and I showed some reasons as to why he's been poor . Year 1 - Too many INT into double coverage Year 2 - Less into double coverage but hesitant sometimes to put the ball where the WR can make a play . Year 3?

I went back and reviewed all of Allen's deep ball passes since his rookie year. I'll preface by saying I dont have a ton of clips but I tried my best to illustrate a few things. So firstly Allen was was much more aggressive year one with the deep ball. One positive was that he would put it in a spot where the WR could usually make a play on it. The bad part is that for some reason he was throwing into double coverage way too much and got picked a bunch. (Now that clip is from week 4 of 2019 but used just to illustrate type of pick he was throwing deep) I vividly remember Daboll going off on him on the sidelines a couple times after throwing deep picks. It may have been week week 14 in 2018 against the Jets at home. After that episode with Daboll, Allen then became a little gun shy about throwing the deep ball. He spoke often about protecting the ball. Now this past year when Allen did throw the deep ball it was usually in a one on one coverage. However he wasn't throwing the ball to the WR he usually threw it to a spot just beyond the WR but far away from the defender. Each one of his deep throws the defender was far enough away that he didnt even get a hand on it or come close. I think Allen was really worried about getting picked and was throwing it conservatively. That tells me that Allen at least knows not to throw into double coverage, and if he can regain his aggressiveness and worry less about getting picked off by putting it closer to his WR hes going to connect on his deep ball far more often. Allen did show more confidence and threw the deep much better down the stretch last year. Take a look at this clip from NE week 16 2019 First clip is a 25 yard rope to Beasley right at the sideline over a defender. That's a special throw. The 2nd is to Dawson Knox and it's a really pretty one. Perfect placement over Knox shoulder away from the defender and it's on the money. The 3rd one is a single high safety look. John Brown should have been double covered there but the DB for some reason trails away leading the safety one on one. Hard to know if Allen sees the defender trail away but regardless it's a perfect throw with defenders in his face. (I really wish I had some clips of some deep ball misses that Allen threw to really illustrate my point about him being gun shy or afraid to throw an INT. It would have really helped.) I think there is a misconception on Allen being a poor deep ball guy. I think hes a terrific intermediate thrower (as illustrated by the Beasley catch). I think Allen in the first half of this year based on the games I watched was really worried about turning the ball over. In the back half his confidence grew and he wasn't throwing deep balls into double coverage as much and was also giving his WR a chance to make a play on the ball. We can assume that Allen's ability to read coverages, combined with growth on knowing when and when to not throw it deep, along with the confidence to put the ball where the WR can make a play will equal greater deep ball completions. The Patriots game perfectly illustrated that. Cheers guys

All of his 2019 targets. Some nasty ankle breakers. Creates lots of separation on his routes.

Not enough Rachel Bush and too much Poyer for my liking

Ah the good old days of O'Leary hype around here.

Yes please!!!! Because he was outright released at his previous number of 9 million and not traded , cost shouldn't be more than what we paid Norman.