ChiGoose

With Gaetz and Jordan supporting different candidates, the pedophile caucus seems to be split in this race.

Pretty apt summation: "McCarthy and Crenshaw and their ilk convinced themselves that they could throw in with the world’s biggest grifter, tell lie after lie (after lie) to their own voters, campaign for a boat of shithouse rats so crazy that they make yesterday’s crazies blush—and at the end be rewarded with their loyal support. Absurd. Their time was going to come eventually. For My Kevin, it appears that time is today. He woke up on the biggest day of his life knowing he’d lose 5 votes on the first ballot and thinking he could lose 9 more. Throw in a wild card and the worst case was 15 no votes, when he could only afford to lose 4. What he found is that crazy begets crazy. Once the floodgates opened the 5 Never Kevin votes had ballooned to an unthinkable 19. And then the same 19 voted against him a second time. These 19 anarchists don’t have any tangible policy objections to a McCarthy speakership and neither do they have a realistic alternative. Their goal—their only goal—was to fight for the sake of fighting and show their constituents they are just as mad at the “elites” as they are. Their only alternative, Jim Jordan, is the man who oversaw the committee that expressed its vision for the party as “Kanye. Elon. Trump.” In other words: exactly the type of members that this party has cultivated for the past eight years. Responsible Republicans who want to run a governing party will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that there is no appeasing or accommodating their leopards. That no amount of submission to the orange idol that will do. That they are either in the boat with the lunatics or out here on the shore with the cucks. In the meantime, the votes and the claw marks will continue until morale improves." (Source) "I never thought leopards would eat MY face" sobs man running to lead the Leopards Eating Peoples' Faces Party Only way to do that is to end First Past the Post voting and destroy the two party system. Push for reforms like ranked choice voting or approval voting to destroy both the Democratic and Republican parties and save the country. Any other proposed solution that doesn't end FPTP is a distraction.

Too sane for the crazy caucus, too crazy for the moderates. He’s a squish, just following the way the wind blows with no real backbone or principles. What does he actually stand for? He’s been anti-Trump, and pro-Trump, and condemning Trump, and then groveling to Trump. You can negotiate with a guy like that to an extent, but you can’t really trust him not to throw you overboard the moment it’s politically convenient.

The GOP isn’t serious about governing anyway. They just want to put on a show. So grab some popcorn and enjoy the mess.

Haven’t seen that but it’s both dumb and unsurprising. Civics education in this country is crap.

What a clusterf***

He called the FBI and submitted to interviewing on Jan 8th. So I guess the FBI interviewing someone and making a determination from that counts as nothing in your world. Instead of the obvious, simplest explanation, you’d rather believe that this dope was actually a secret government agent tasked by Adam Schiff and the liberal FBI (lol) to single-handedly take down Trump. Because… reasons. Who has been indicted for doing less than him? I’ve seen one person indicted for trespassing without entering the building. Most everyone else either assaulted a cop or entered the building. I get that reality is just really hard for you and it’s easier to just make ***** up and ignore everything that’s inconvenient to the narrative you’ve crafted in your head, but there is zero evidence that this MAGA dope loser was working for the feds on Jan 6. He’s just some guy who believed in a liar and is now reaping the whirlwind as the people who he agrees with have turned on him because it’s easier than admitting that maybe some people in their ranks aren’t good people.

And after reading the transcript, you think you could definitely make those charges stick, given the facts?

Explain to me what statute under which Epps should be charged and what the likely outcome of that charge would be. From what I’ve seen, the best you could hope for is trespassing and the chances of success would be low enough that it wouldn’t warrant prosecutorial resources that are already stretched thin.

He was on the most wanted list until he called the FBI on Jan 8th and agreed to be interviewed by them. Once he had been interviewed by the FBI, it was probably pretty likely that they concluded they would be unlikely to secure a guilty verdict against him. All of these questions are answered by the transcript

Years ago, when I was in college, I was visiting a friend in Boston. After I dropped him off, I got stuck in traffic because there was a big fire in his building. I saw him walking by so I rolled down the window and said “Hey Johnny, your building is on fire!” Without breaking stride, he shouted back “I know, I did it!” Now, if I was a moron, I might think he was seriously bragging about committing a crime out in public. But knowing him and our relationship, I thought it was a funny joke. Here, we seem to have people believing that a guy saying “I orchestrated it” to someone is not a joke but is actually an admission to a potential crime that also goes against absolutely everything else he has testified to.

You’re acting like they didn’t have a warrant and just did it because of political reasons, yet you provide no evidence of such.

I would suggest reading the actual interview with Epps. If he’s a government asset, he lied under oath close to a dozen times and we would expect Gym Jordan to refer him for prosecution for that as part of his upcoming investigations. But he won’t because there is zero evidence that Epps was a Fed asset. It’s just speculation from people who want Epps to secretly be a Fed because it would be good for their narrative. There’s no evidence of it and a good amount of evidence against it. Epps never entered the Capitol himself and if you think he should be prosecuting for saying people should go there, then I assume you think Trump should be prosecuted for the same thing. Probably the best charge they could bring that they have a chance at proving would be trespassing and even then Epps’s defense attorney would have a very easy time painting him in a sympathetic light.

Did they spy on him with or without a warrant? Did they have probable cause? Did they break any laws? Was he involved with any aspect of an ongoing investigation? Maybe, just maybe, the guy who tried to sue a fake cow isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack and got himself involved in something he shouldn’t have. Or is it your opinion that members of Congress should be immune from investigation?

Hey, let me know when Gym Jordan’s investigation of the FBI shows Epps was a Fed. I won’t hold my breath because we both know that ain’t coming.

Nothing wrong with an alternate view of things, but if you want someone to take them seriously, they should at least have *some* facts to support them. There is absolutely zero evidence that Epps was a fed and a lot of evidence that he wasn’t. Anyone who believes he is a fed is basing it entirely on what they *want* to be true and not what they can actually support with evidence. It happens time and time again on this board. Instead of begging with something rational like Occam or Hanlon’s Razor, people just think of what conclusion they prefer and work backwards from there. Oh it’s definitely not restricted to one side. Everyone tends to jump to the emotional conclusion instead of waiting for the facts

He’s clearly not. But whatever, the “my feelings don’t care about your facts” crowd will believe whatever they want, so carry on I guess. So far, we have: Hillary Clinton murdered Seth Rich The 2020 election was stolen The Russians didn’t attempt to meddle in the 2016 election Dems eat babies to extend their lifespans Ray Epps is a fed Paul Pelosi was having a gay affair with David DePape Grant Wahl was murdered Grant Wahl was killed by the vaccine The Dems and GOP are really the same party Anything that doesn’t go my way is the result of seemingly omnipotent malicious actors and/or cheating Am I missing anything else? Should we add some Q and maybe sprinkle in some lizard people?

You’re so close and you don’t even know it.

I guess it’s not surprising that instead of reading the interview that basically answers all of the questions, everyone is continuing to just jump to whatever conclusions support their pet theory. Here’s the answers to your questions.

Yeah, those pesky definitions of words and understanding what they mean really does get in the way of the whole censorship narrative.

Man, I’d like to know where you’re betting if the bookies are that bad at setting lines. While the betting markets were more favorable to Trump than the models and forecasters, they generally had Biden as a pretty clear favorite. Maybe that changed a bit during the counting but I would hope that oddsmakers would be familiar with the expected Red Mirage. It was pretty clear the day after Election Day which way the election was going.

I don’t think we have the same opinion of the committee. I also don’t think the decision to focus on Trump was part of a coverup. I think it was a decision made likely to either keep Cheney from publicly splitting from the committee and/or because making it about Trump gets the headlines and will draw more eyes to the report. It seems like everyone likes to jump to dastardly conclusions but the truth is more likely to be fairly mundane.

Generally, elections are not so close that the media outlets are unable to make a call on election night. However, the counting itself usually continues for days or even weeks. Only when it is finished and certified is the election truly decided. In most elections, the margins are large enough that media outlets can call the election before the votes are all counted. I think California usually takes weeks to finish counting, but the margins are so large that the media can make a projection or call well ahead of time. What happened in 2020 was pretty straightforward: more people voted by mail than usual because of the pandemic, different states had different rules about when the mail in ballots can be counted, and the election was very close. All of that meant that it wasn’t as easy to call certain states on Election Day than in other elections. Another likely problem was that Fox probably called Arizona a bit earlier than it should have. It was clear on November 6th that Biden had won but I think some media outlets that had Arizona as still undecided were afraid to pull the trigger on calling Pennsylvania until they could call Arizona too. That would have resulted in Fox and the AP showing Arizona for Biden but PA undecided while other outlets showed PA for Biden but Arizona undecided. The combination of the two states would have put him over 270.

It almost always takes a week to decide the president. Usually more than that. The media outlets “calling” the election has no legal weight. The 2020 election was not rigged, but there were several different attempts to overturn the results regardless. The people behind those schemes should be subject to the full force of the law.

Both the fake electors scheme and the push to have Pence not certify the election were attempts at overturning the results of the election. Not everything was about the violence on the day itself.