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It was Kincaid - his arrow route depth of 4-5 is right where it should be. This concept has been a staple of Dorsey's because he's using it as a multiple coverage beater. The way they are running it is essentially Smash with a Vertical collector to beat both Cover 2 and Cover 3 looks. The collector (vertical) pulls the deep defender and puts the flat defender in conflict.

Is that fact? Or is that just how it feels? Genuinely curious what the numbers show there.

Timeouts are for defense. Gives them a chance to regroup as well and get quick reminders about situational play. Playbooks are limited in these situations offensively so the time is used to remind players about what they’ll get out of the few looks they’ll see.

It was Knox - he’s not the smoothest out of breaks but he is right about where he needs to be. That ball should hit at 18 bottom of the numbers on that concept.

The interception was a flood concept. Allen underthrew it and the flat defender made a good play. Spacing was fine.

Don’t think I can recall us running power once this year.

What defensive alignment?

I really do think it’s because of his feet the more I watch it. He was off-base and did have a guy right in his face.

To be honest there was really only one opportunity for him to step up and escape the pocket and he ended up getting tripped up on it. Teams are doing a good job collapsing the pocket on us.

@Dukestreetking 4th Series 1. 11p - Curl/Swing vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - Pats rush 4 - correct protection - Allen throws to Kincaid on the curl 2. 12p - PAP Deep Curl vs. Cover 3 - BOB Protection - Pats send 6 because we 7 man protect it - Allen hits Kincaid over the middle 3. 11p - Curl/Arrow vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - called correctly - Hit Davis on the Curl 4. 12p - PAP HBO vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - called correctly - Looked for Diggs on the Out n' Up - Patriots shaded his side and forced Josh to look backside - had Davis open on the route conversion - Allen over throws out of bounds with pressure in his face - Godchaux beat Morse with a spin after a failed chop rip - Josh held the ball too long (just over 4 seconds in the pocket) 5. 11p - Snag 7 vs. Cover 2 - Slide Protection - called correctly - Pats rush 4 - Allen hits Kincaid on the snag 6. 11p - Mesh vs. Man 7 - Full Slide Protection - Pats rush 6 - Protection set correctly - Allen is responsible for the free rusher off the edge - wants to throw the hot to Cook - but it's covered - Torrence and Morse both get badly beat - this is a dead play that Allen needs to just dirt 7. 11p - Switch Choice vs. Quarters - Slide Protection - Pats rush 5 - Allen initially looks boundary side Smash concept - sees the corner sink and moves on - sees corner/safety playing the vertical seam by Davis - looks like he's throwing a blind ball (or he's throwing it away) to what he assumes will be Switch Verts to the near pylon but Shakir rightly converted it to a hitch because the flat defender had vertical leverage on him That's your first half.

Based on his footwork it looked like he thought he wouldn't be able to get the pass off in time.

1st Series 1. 12p - Flood vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection to the Field - Good Concept vs. the Cover 3 look, Patriots bring 5 - protection is good - we slide to the pressure - Josh's eyes are good - corner came off late like it's taught and josh threw an underthrown floater to the out. 2nd Series 1. 11p - H Follow vs. Cover 1 - Half Slide Protection to the Field - Great concept getting the rub vs man coverage - Patriots bring 4 - protection is good - throw is good. 2. 11p - HBO vs. Bracket - Slide Protection to the Field - Protection was called correctly - Patriots bring 3 and spy with the 4th - Brown lost his 1v1 - Nice throw and catch between Allen and Cook on the scramble drill. Allen worked the two receiver side vs the man look to go for the big play to Sherfield on the vertical - had Diggs to the field early (even though they had bracket coverage on him on a rub - looked there but protection was breaking down and didn't have a base set to throw. 3. 11p - PAP Corner-Post Concept vs. Cover 3 - Outside Zone Blocking Scheme - Based off the protection it looks like Josh got too wide in his drop and then got caught outside of his pocket and was forced to roll to the sideline and eventually eat it. Play was designed to bring the defense down to the OZ side and then hit Diggs on the Post as it cross the MoF Safeties face. Dig route by the Tight End brought the underneath defenders forward to create the open spacing for Diggs to be wide open if Allen were able to sit inside Brown within the protection. 4. 11p - Curl/Arrow vs. 1 Rat - Half Slide Protection - Patriots rush 5 - Protection is called correctly - Good coverage - Allen recognizes man and tries to take off - gets tripped up - Barmore beats Morse with a club rip and gets widened into Dawkins allowing DE to work back upfield to get to Allen 5. 11p - Tunnel vs. Man - Good pitch and catch for a 1st Down to Cook. Great call vs. what we got from the defense and a great way to SCHEME COOK into the pass game 6. 11p - RPO Bubble vs. Cover 6 - Dart Blocking Scheme - Good call - 3 over 3 coverage - Dart actions holds the backer - we cross block the bubble to gain advantage on angles and pick up about 8 yards. This is the type of stuff that doesn't get noticed by anyone - the design of this play to 1) get a numbers advantage and 2) block it in a way to give us a huge advantage is a master class in play design. 7. 11p - T Choice vs. Quarters - Half Slide Protection - Patriots bring 6 - Protection was called correctly - Diggs is lined up in our backfield so Allen can't keep the back in for Scan protection - the 6th rusher will be free and Josh has to recognize that and throw hot off the 6th rusher - Allen recognizes the rushes - stares at Shakir who's our hot and instead of setting his feet and throwing he panics and tries to escape the pocket - should have been an easy pitch and catch - this ones on Allen 8. 12p - H Choice vs. Bracket - Slide Protection - Patriots rush 3 - Protection called correctly - Torrence blows the protection - after he realizes he doesn't have an outside threat he just freezes and doesn't help Morse who gets beat by Barmore - Josh still able to throw TD pass to Knox which was called back for OPI. 9. 12p - H Follow vs. Quarters - Slide Protection - Protection called correctly - Pats rush 3 spy 1 - Allen reads the H Follow side first sees it's not there and scrambles to the field - unfortunate because the patriots were in a version of Quarters where the corner mans 1 and the cover down and high safety are playing combo coverage on 2 and 3 - with the route concept we had called it set up a natural pick and both Knox and Kincaid were wide open 3rd Series 1. 11p - PAP Curl/Arrow vs. Cover 6 - BOB Protection - Patriots rush 4 - Protection called correctly - Allen hits Kincaid in the flat on the arrow 2. 11p - Flood vs. Cover 3 - Half Slide Protection - Protection called correctly - Patriots rush 4 - Torrence loses his 1v1 - Josh escapes the pocket and probably should have just dumped it to Murray and let him get what he could, but he tries to extend the play and has options in Knox and Diggs open - overthrows Diggs on the Out. All I got time for right now, but I'll try and get some more done later tonight if I have time. @Big Turk You had asked about protections I think.

You still have provided zero evidence to back your stances. Can't describe scheme. Can't understand scheme and how it affects the other side of the ball. You have no awareness as to what we are doing as an offense to attack defenses, and no awareness as to what defenses are doing to us. Without any of that I don't know how you can come up with any solutions. All you've done is say a bunch of words that don't mean a whole lot at the end of the day.

Pompous lol. Coming from the guy who says he has all the answers and is trying to tell the professional football coach what to do. I just don't know how many ways I can say you don't know what you're talking about 🤷‍♂️. Sorry for hurting your feelings though.

It's easier to gripe about offense. Most people don't know what they're looking at when it comes to defensive football.

Please enlighten me, what are those again? Diagram and describe the scheme while you're at it 😉 Last time I checked Beane aint a coach. I'm telling you what the Bills have been doing, and why they are having success doing it the way they've been doing. It's just not what you want and you have no evidence to support what you want would be better. 53 receptions for 843 and 10 TDs. If I told you that would be the production from our #2 receiver at the beginning of the season no one would have batted an eye. Everyone is up in arms because he didn't do anything against the Pats, but again haven't watched the tape. He was used a lot as a collector in concepts. Pulling defenders vertically with him to open up stuff underneath. Why do you think Kincaid had the day he did. You've provided none... No I'm describing how defenses align to offensive sets. Has nothing to do with what we do out of them. The game has rules. Learn them. The offense has been unstoppable the second half of games with virtually no changes. It does. The film shows we have designed plays to get Cook the ball in open space in the pass game. Should it be more? Probably, which is what I said in my initial response, but the scheme is there.

So do you want designed runs or no? I'm referring to on a per play basis - not in totality. PAP out of 12p has an ANYA of 12.42 (11p is 7.86) and regular drop back is at 6.03 ANYA (11p is 4.86). Again, you don't understand what you are looking at. We are using 12p, more often than not, to pull defenders into the box and create 1 on 1's on the outside forcing teams to play Quarters, Roll 3, or play Man against those looks. We've seen a lot more 3 than we have anything else against it which is why the tight end usage out of 12p has been minimal. There's a "why" for all of these things, but you either haven't watch the tape or just don't understand what you're watching enough to figure it out. I'm really not sure how to respond to this. If he's in on the vast majority of run plays, and is also in on the vast majority of pass plays he's going to have a high percentage of snaps. Who would you want to replace him outside because the guy you mentioned is a slot. Why? Explain to me, and provide facts to back you up. It has more to do with teams having to bring defenders into the box when we're in our Ace or Tight End Wing sets. Again, watch the film - it'll give you answers. I just described to you how he has adjusted to different defenses week to week to attack what they are doing and your response is he doesn't adjust? Execution has been the issue - not the play calling. This has been very clear. We haven't come out with anything different after halftime - we're still running the same sets and the same plays out of those sets as we did in the first half and the offense has been nearly unstoppable in the second half of these games. Again, it's an execution issue - not a scheme or play calling issue. Again, watch the film. It's there. I don't really know what else to tell you.

My point was if you fire him mid-season we'll just continue to run the same scheme - so what's the point.

It wasn’t meant to be three man. Settle just wasted himself.

They converted on 5 of the 6 soooooo. Pretty shocking fans take these things at face value without ever watching the tape to figure out “why”.

I don't think you understand what I'm talking about. I'll see if I can add a video. EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about. Look at Settle.

Williams didn't play as bad as I initially thought. He was misaligned a couple times. Didn't fit correctly or was slow to fit on the split zone the Patriots ran a few times, but the thing that got him benched was giving up the big pass to Bourne on mesh. He had a bust in every series. Because we essentially rushed 3 all day. Settle added absolutely nothing to the pass rush and often times automatically played as a low box player not even attempting to win a rush. Hard to get home when it's 3 v 6.

That’s the most frustrating thing, and I’m sure what’s frustrating for Dorsey right now. We aren’t making sweeping adjustments we’re just executing better in the second half of games. By and large we’re running the same sets and calling the same plays from those sets the second half of these games.

1. Designed runs are going to be the most effective way to get Josh going in the run game and put stress on a defense. You don't want those though as they are designed to hit between the tackles in most instances. So what you are actually asking for is for Josh to get out of the pocket and scramble more? Have there been times this year where Josh has had the opportunity to tuck it and gain some yards, sure, but I do think this is a big step in his maturation as a QB to learn how to operate within a pocket. Is it a struggle right now, sure, but it will set us up for long-term success later. 2. You want to scrap 12 personnel yet it has been the most successful personnel package we've had throwing the ball both with and without play action and it's not even close. You also say we're not taking advantage of mismatches within the personnel group, but you don't have a clue what you're looking for. By being in 12p and sitting in these loaded box formation we are forcing defenses out of their Cover 2 shells and allowing our receivers to do big time damage down the field. Josh on play action out of 12p this season is 23/32 for 397 yards, 3 TD, 1 INT, 12.42 A/NYPA. So, yes, we are taking major advantages of the mismatches created by 12p - you just don't know enough football to understand what those mismatches are that we're taking advantage of. 3. Davis is the best run blocking WR we have on the roster. That's why his snap count is so high. To your point though - there is absolutely reason to get Shakir more involved in the pass game running the option routes from the slot that Cole use to run. With Knox out for an indefinite period of time I'd expect to see more of him in the slot. I'd also like to see Harty get more involved in the pass game. Harty has the physical ability to be a defensive nightmare in the slot with his speed and agility. My concern currently is that he's struggling to pick up the offense (pure speculation on my part based on a couple of Gabe's comments the other day). He's a weapon though with the ball in his hand, and when called upon this season he has shown flashes on extreme athleticism. 4. Josh has been under center more and more - the more we've used play action in the pass game. There has to be balance. 5. We've been at our worst running the football out of 12p which has been more under center than in gun (3.26 yards per carry). This myth that getting a full head of stem on runs helps you gain more yards just isn't true. The run game is all about taking proper paths, angles, physicality, timing, and numbers - nothing more - nothing less. 6. They're protecting Josh as much as possible. Whether right or wrong - that's what's happening. 7. This has to do with what the defense is giving us. I haven't gotten to the A22 from the Patriots yet, but from the broadcast it sounded like that Pats were primarily in C2 looks which takes away our deep passing game and thus opening the underneath. Against the Jags they were primarily in C3 looks and we tried to take advantage of those by running different types of levels concepts to the sidelines. It's a fantastic way to attack Cover 3, but takes longer to develop in some instances. Against the Giants they were running a lot of 1 Rat to start the game and we tried to take advantage of it with our crossers. The gameplan can not and should not look the same week to week. If it did there'd be some serious concerns with Dorsey. 8. I agree Cook needs to get more touches in the pass game, but it certainly hasn't been for lack of trying. We've schemed him wide open multiple times on mesh and for whatever reason Allen is staring down Diggs instead of taking what the defense is giving him. We've also design various rub routes to get him open in the RedZone. His lack of targets definitely isn't because of lack of trying.

These guys are constantly putting out feelers. Don’t think he’s not putting out feelers for multiple positions. And specifically you want to get an idea of top end and low end so you can set a market value.