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1st Run: Long Trap A lot going on during this play. Initial formation is Wing Twins which they shifted to Slot Trips which they then motioned to Ace. All of this is just eye candy and to get our second level defenders moving on the snap. They running Trap so it's double downs front side and seal hinge the backside - Guard pulls to kick our defensive end. Rousseau steps over himself on initial footwork which doesn't allow him to squeeze the down as he should and widens the gap. Bernard bumps back to a 10 on the motion - plays with great eyes - recognizes the guard pull and gets his eyes to the down/down. His responsibility is to fit outside of the down/down which he works to though he engages at 4 yards instead of being able to press it at the LoS. Williams plays with good eyes - sees the guard pull, but hesitates scraping over the top when he sees the open playside A that Poyer is now responsible for. If Williams scrapes as he should it's a gain of maybe 3 or 4 even with the lack of a squeeze from Rousseau. Being in Nickel had no impact on this play. 2nd Run: GH Counter Again the Giants used shifts and motions to try to affect our front. This time we had a stunt on so the effect was minimal. Same kind of concept bringing the jet motion as eye candy to pull our second level defenders eyes off their keys. This time Rousseau does a better job of squeezing the down/down and boxing the pulling guard and compressing the gap. We were bringing Poyer on a stunt so he fits off the down/down and leverages the tight end working to wrap. Williams looks unsure whether he's suppose to fit outside or inside the wrapping Tight End, but end up putting himself in the right position late, but isn't in a position where he could breakdown and make the tackle. If he makes the tackle it's a 1 yard gain. Being in Nickel had no impact on this play. There's your two big plays. Again Nickel had zero impact on either of these. Taron was pulled out of the box in both situations. Bad technique from Rousseau on the first one and just indecision from a young player were the cause for the big gains.

There’s no doubt about that! Take that matchup every day.

It matters to me not if you wish to continue to be ignorant and uninformed...

I have. You refuse to listen. I've also said it's not "off-script". When he is seeing man coverage he's just picking the match-up he likes best. This has been Diggs the vast majority of times this year. It's no different than taking "the gift" in 3x1 sets. If the defense is playing off to the single side you can ignore the concept progression and throw the 5 yard stop since they're just giving it to you.

I know he overran his drop a couple times. I'd have to see the A22 to give a true opinion though. A lot of his faults right now are just eye discipline which will come with reps. I'm encouraged by what I've seen so far. You can't teach his speed and willingness to pull the trigger.

Guess you just have to trust that a guy who's been doing this professionally for a long time knows what he's talking about 🤷‍♂️ I'm not sure what you're talking about.

1) I thought you were saying why isn't the vertical passing game in our offense 2) The one on Elam was Cover 1 and the one on Benford was 2 Man

Yeah, coverage plays a huge role in progressions, but again they are all rule based. You're acting like the Bills are running some obscure offense that's never been done before. All of these concepts have been around for forever. They all have set rules and progressions. As a casual fan you could probably find them if you wanted to, but like I said - watch the film. It is? We rarely get man coverage to take advantage of it.

Blasphemy! How are we supposed to get Dorsey fired if we acknowledge players mess up?!?!? I mean it's cool if you don't want to believe me, but all concepts have built in reads/progressions. Those don't change based on what team is running them. Football is a game of rules and those rules are tied to the concept.

Go watch the A22 from last week. We run the same exact play all within the same drive and vs man he stares down diggs and throws the vertical when he got zone he went through his progressions. This isn't anything abnormal. Quarterbacks in the league do this all the time. To be clear I'm not saying this behavior isn't condoned, but it is going against the progression of the concepts.

Diggs is always the first read if Allen sees man coverage. That's Allen doing his own thing.

If you're trailing in coverage you're taught not to turn around and play a ball. How anyone can have an opinion of Elams play as of right now is baffling to me. Without being able to see the A22 and just relying on the broadcast view you all are just making assumptions without any evidence to back them up.

I corrected people who were certain we ran "shotgun draw" every time we ran the ball out of gun.

Both got lost in coverage at times and both were slow to fit the Trap run scheme NY came out of halftime with, but other than that both looked solid on the broadcast. Will wait for the Wide and Tight film to come out before making final judgements.

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Same calls as first half though was my point. We got into no rhythm first half because we couldn’t sustain drives.

Not every run out of shotgun is an RPO, and they don’t all suck. We ran Dart with great success the past two weeks out of gun.

Should have said that 😉🤣 Im with you though. As far as personnel is concerned it doesn’t take anything special to be successful doing it. Just need to be able to read post-snap leverage. Like I said it already built into the scheme and were already doing it just need one of those guys to built rapport with Allen. We also allow Allen to disregard his progressions whenever he wants if he sees a matchup he likes. It’s frustrating at times because we’ll have guys running wide open but he’ll be staring down Diggs because he likes the matchup there better.

You asked who’s running out option routes from the slot - I provided you the answer. You’re welcome?

Right now that player is Diggs. It’s been Diggs this year and it was Diggs last year.

I was referring to your statement about it needing to be intentionally schemed - not the personnel. The scheme is there. EDIT: Up to this point it’s been Diggs operating it if you want to talk personnel but eventually Harty/Kincaid will need to fill that role depending on what personnel grouping we want to go with.

On the contrary - a large portion of our passing concepts have route conversions built it. It’s why it takes young guys so long to come along and get comfortable in it.

Players executed the second half. Calls didn’t change in the open field. They were the same concepts we ran in the first.

Didn’t run a single draw all night.

We didn’t sustain drives the first half. Can’t establish anything when you’re not sustaining drives. Giants also blitzed us early to take away the run along with the play action when we were under center.